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A world beyond Capitalism

Every day, capitalism proves that it is absolutely indifferent to human flourishing, or life, and therefore it really shouldn’t be a surprise that so many of the grotesque and monstrous phenomena of our society — inequality, racism, misogyny, imperialism, ecological catastrophe, mass extinction, mass unnecessary death — are inextricable from capitalism.

The demand for a system that prioritizes human need over profit is a demand for the end of capitalism. We can debate what that might look like, but if we take seriously the idea that the only way to get to a world fit to live in is to get beyond capitalism, we have to move beyond the “common sense” — which is to say, the deadening propaganda — that it is “obviously” impossible to have anything other than capitalism.

Marx and Engels Communist Manifesto’s unremitting insistence on the dynamics of class history that got us here, and its ruthless denaturalizing and questioning of supposedly eternal truths, all in the service of liberation, is profoundly important.

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TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 41-45, MVIP

There’s capitalism hen there’s crony capitalism..
conglomerates squeezing out and destroying any chance of choice is pure fucking evil.
Not to be confused with good old fair and free open markets

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TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 41-45, MVIP

@Emosaur call me when you see 1x single makeshift raft escaping a capitalist country to go bask in the utopia of a socialist country...

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Gloomy · F

@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout What about all the US citizens leaving the US to get (affordable) medical treatment in other countries? I call that escaping US capitalism.

TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 41-45, MVIP

@Gloomy what about the mention of CRONY capitalism?
You 2 miss that part..
ppl are sick of corruption and over powerful conglomerates.

What’s the puzzle?
It’s not hard to understand why ppl are fleeing woke marxists taxing the shit out of them 🤔

It’s why everyone e fleeing Cali. and NY for Florida..
cheaper free life..
Same country tho.. weird

Gloomy · F

@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout There are no marxists in power in the US or most countries. By using the term "woke" in this context you are just embarrassing yourself and taxation has at least created a welfare state in Europe to combat some byproducts of capitalism and it is seen as something good there.

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TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 41-45, MVIP

@Gloomy of course their isnt.
must have been someone else colluding with big tech to censor and punish and set the narrative of life.
must be someone else who is taxing the absolute shit out of the working class to shower freebies on the unemployed.
must be someone else trying to centralise ever facilty in our lives.

my bad. move along. nothing to see here.

go away.

Gloomy · F

@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout Oh damn you are paranoid and completly detached from reality. You don't know anything about Marxism, most definitely not read any book on it but got brainwashed into thinking there is a leftist danger lurking in the shadows or that even democrats are left wing. Conservative propaganda fried your brain but looking at your posts on here you are a vile piece of trash.

graphite · 61-69, M

@Gloomy While America's health care system is kind of a mess, "universal" health care can mean substandard care or long, long waits for care - too long in some cases. Lots of Canadians slipping across the border for care, apparently.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/05/15/grief-for-sharon-shamblaw-for-whom-ontarios-health-care-system-moved-too-slowly.html

graphite · 61-69, M

@Emosaur "Free health care" or somebody else works to pay the taxes to fund it?

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graphite · 61-69, M

@Emosaur What part of - somebody has to pay for it - do YOU not understand? Are the doctors, nurses, etc donating their services? Medical facilities built and maintained for free? Understand now? Good.

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pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M

@Emosaur Yes?

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pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M

@Emosaur So, things just pop into exist out of nowhere, and things work by magic?

pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M

@Emosaur I also wouldn't call it complete free market capitalism when governments use tax money to bail out big businesses, when governments offer tax cuts to companies to invest in what the governments want, when governments put into place minimum wage laws which make it harder for smaller businesses to compete against bigger ones, or endless regulations that only big businesses can afford to follow.

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pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M

@Emosaur everything has a cost. Things don't pop into existence out of nothing. As much as I'd like everyone to have unlimited of everything they like, it takes finite time and resources to create them.

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pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M

@Emosaur and you confirm my theory that many people on here need things dumbed down right to 'right thinks this', 'left thinks this', and it's incredibly weird when people anthropomorthise like that, as if if someone thinks one way about one topic that therefore places them into a predefined Borg and that reality is as simple as that. I suppose thats the human mind, though, reality is complex and so we create a grand narrative and a few smaller ones and reduce people and ideas down into such simple categories that even a child could understand. Then dismiss the vast amount of data and people that don't fit into this way of categorising the world. There isn't 'the left', or 'the right', there are people. But then if you admit that ideas are nuanced and no one person thinks exactly the same then you can't shove anything you don't like into a box and dismiss it.

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pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M

@Emosaur "because if they understood and accepted those things they would be left-wing." You treat your political views like they are a revelation from God, as it is impossible to honestly and intelligently listen to your revelations without accepting it all as perfect.
And you are intentionally engaging in the circular logic that the religious do. If you dont agree with socialism then you simply just dont understand it. "And even if they do, they then must necessarily fail at understanding the problems of capitalism, what socialism is, and the concept of class struggle." Yeah, the only way someone could reach a different conclusion to you on something is if they misunderstand it, o holy prophet. I could apply that faulty thinking to anything I think is right. It's no better than "you cant tell me what came before x phenomena, therefore god did it, and it's my god".

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