Mutual aid and the conquest of bread are brilliant books

@val70 Peter Kropotkin identified as an anarcho communist

@Guitarman123 Chernyi for one advocated a Nietzschean overthrow of the values of bourgeois Russian society, and rejected the voluntary communes of Kropotkin as a threat to the freedom of the individual

@val70 Kropotkin was a voice of freedom for all people which is why he wanted the state and hierarchy abolished

@Guitarman123 Chernyi after strongly denouncing the new Bolshevik government in various anarchist publications and joining several underground resistance movements was arrested by the Cheka on a charge of counterfeiting and in 1921 was executed without trial. Kropotkin, however, applied for a residence in Moscow in 1918, which was personally approved by Vladimir Lenin, head of the Soviet government. Months later, finding life in Moscow difficult in his old age, Kropotkin moved with his family to a friend's home. He died of pneumonia on February 8, 1921. That's the difference there then :-)

@val70 Peter Kropotkin was an anarcho communist and greatly critical of the ussr

@val70 Kropotkin resided in Moscow as he was an exiled Russian

@Guitarman123 He kept quiet alright, but Chernyi paid the price for his resistance. I know who's the hero there :-)

@val70 Kropotkin was in exile because he was anything but quiet

@Guitarman123 He asked to return and was allocated a home by Lenin. Don't you see who's the hero then? The man who was put to death because of his absolute resistance, and that was Chernyi

@val70 Kropotkin is an icon in anarchy, as Is proudhorn and bakunin before him

@Guitarman123 An icon usually doesn't end up at a pantheon. Just on yet another altar

@val70 Kropotkin came up with the theory of mutual aid which he said had being a part of nature since the days of the animal kingdom

@Guitarman123 Again, nothing against any theory but on the practical side if one doesn't offer definitive counter-actions against anything like Lenin's regime, well, one is more than lettting the side down. That's why Simonne Weil's conversations with Trotsky were so important too then :-)

@val70 Lenins ussr overthrew the tsar system which was feudalist and was exploiting it's people

@Guitarman123 Bolshevik forces — led by Vladimir Lenin — only attacked and overthrew the provisional government of Alexander Kerensky in Petrograd. When the true Revolution in February broke out, Kerensky was made Minister of Justice in the newly-formed Provisional Government. Kerensky was the only socialist to join the first cabinet of the Provisional Government, coming straight from the Provisional Committee of the State Duma. Lenin was a German stooge

@val70 the revolution truly happened in October when the bolsheviks overthrew tasarism. Lenin wanted solidarity with German workers in order to strengthen his position but that didn't happen

@val70 the German workers of the social Democratic Party of Germany betrayed rosa Luxembourg who was a devout Marxist

@Guitarman123 So what? The actual overthrow of the Tsar happened in February and Rosa Luxemburg had nothing to do with it either. The Germans sent in Lenin to stop the war and destroy any hope for a dominant Russia in the near future

@val70 no they really didn't as Lenin wanted solidarity with the Germans but they were not interested and rosa Luxembourg had everything to do with it as she was based in Germany and a marxist advocating for workers rights of the German people

@Guitarman123 Oh come one, do you really think that Lenin in exile and Rosa Luxemburg in Germany the whole time had anything to do with the overthrow of the Tsar? What did Kerensky do then? Sit on eggs the whole time? Luxemburg did support those evil Bolsheviks till her death though

@val70 Luxembourg was also critical of the ussr. Lenins bolsheviks overthrew the tsar system which was ruling Russia prior to the formation of the ussr. Listen to what I'm actually saying. Your claiming that Lenin was a German stooge and I'm explaining that you are incorrect and backing up my claim by highlighting that rosa Luxembourg who was a devout Marxist betrayed by the social democracy party in Germany because she was a radical leftie. It makes zero sense to have Luxembourg killed but have Lenin in charge of Russia

@Guitarman123 NO, you're wrong. The Tsar was overthrown before Lenin arrived back in Russia and anyone of the left who wasn't against the Bolsheviks was wrong. That's been proven by historical evidence which even you can't dismiss

@val70 again, I said the bolsheviks overthrew the tsar system. After the ussr took control the white army who supported the previous system tried to regain power which lead to the Russian civil war ana although the bolsheviks were far from perfect people majority supported them as they promised something different than what they were used to

@Guitarman123 During the February Revolution, Czar Nicholas II, ruler of Russia since 1894, is forced to abdicate the throne by the Petrograd insurgents, and a provincial government is installed in his place. Go check any history book

@val70 I've just expressed history to you about the Russian civil war