Guns are far more dangerous to kids than critical race theory

@Graylight It's interesting how you guys vacillate your argument on CRT from "it doesn't exist" to "its the truth, what's the big deal?" depending on the situation.

Pick one. Both can't be true at the same time.

@SumKindaMunster It doesn't exist in high schools since it's a theory being discussed in university. It's true and exists just not in the way outrage baiting conservatives claim it does.

@RebelliousSpirit While I appreciate the response, I think you are parsing. So your clarification is that "it doesn't exist in [i]high schools[/i]", but it exists as a concept?

[quote]outrage baiting conservatives [/quote]

Sorry but it isn't just Conservatives. What is this post other than outrage bait? The concepts don't even equate.

@SumKindaMunster Yes it is not being taught in high schools but of course it's part of some degrees at university such as law.

They don't equate but it's about the discourse and outrage surrounding those two concepts. It seems like parents and people in general care more about crt in schools which in reality isn't even thaught there while school shootings are somehow seen as a regular occurance and after a few thoughts and prayers we move on till the next one happens.

@RebelliousSpirit So I've heard this before. The thing is CRT concepts of race and power [i]are[/i] being taught as young as the gradeschool level, they just don't call it "CRT". But they promote concepts of race and power that come directly from Critical Race Theory.

[quote] It seems like parents and people in general care more about crt in schools which in reality isn't even thaught there while school shootings are somehow seen as a regular occurance[/quote]

Perhaps. Are you a parent? I think parents have the most authority over what their kids will be exposed to and what risks they are willing to take. If they don't feel that gun violence is an issue, but teaching CRT concepts is, who are you to demand they change?

I would give you the same latitude for your own children, if you have them. For example, if you wanted to teach them CRT concepts at home, I would not stop you. I would be totally fine with that. They are your kids and it is your home. But if you were teaching my kids that, I might say something to you.

@SumKindaMunster you not a fan of acknowledging systemic racism?

@SumKindaMunster [quote]But they promote concepts of race and power that come directly from Critical Race Theory.[/quote]

Gotta ask for an unbiased source here (so no fox news for example) and no kids don't understand foucault like concepts of power and racism might be broadly discussed and definitely has to be a part of the history curriculum.

[quote]I think parents have the most authority over what their kids will be exposed to and what risks they are willing to take.[/quote]

I take great issue with that and when looking at other nations they don't have that issue with controlling parents. Parents ruling over their kids access to knowledge is dangerous. It might be difficult, especially with schools being made political to get an overview on your childs education but the idea that parents should be in total control is bad. Parents are no teachers and no experts on given fields.

"Your kids" and "your home" sounds like an authoritatian microcosmos with information control. I get that certain stuff like porn should be kept away from kids but knowledge should be free and what kids should learn should not be evaluated by parents.
Next parents say they don't want their kids to take part in history lessons or don't want them to know about evolution.
I find homeschooling to be a danger to society.

@RebelliousSpirit Here's the National Education Commission adopting the teaching of CRT concepts in K-12

https://reason.com/2021/07/06/critical-race-theory-nea-taught-in-schools/

[quote]I take great issue with that and when looking at other nations they don't have that issue with controlling parents. Parents ruling over their kids access to knowledge is dangerous. It might be difficult, especially with schools being made political to get an overview on your childs education but the idea that parents should be in total control is bad. Parents are no teachers and no experts on given fields.
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Well I don't agree. Fortunately we have private schools and home schooling here. Parents are experts[i] on their own children[/i] and they have the right to determine to know what they are being taught. Would you like it if kids were being taught traditional Christian conservative concepts? Or engaging in prayer at school? Well it goes both ways.

[quote]"Your kids" and "your home" sounds like an authoritatian microcosmos with information control[/quote] 😆🤨

Uh no, its private property and people can do as they please. Authoritarian microcosmos???
It's somebodies home with a family.

[quote]Next parents say they don't want their kids to take part in history lessons or don't want them to know about evolution.
I find homeschooling to be a danger to society.
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Are you a parent?

@SumKindaMunster [quote] that critiques empire, white supremacy, anti-Blackness, anti-Indigeneity, racism, patriarchy, cisheteropatriarchy, capitalism, ableism, anthropocentrism, and other forms of power and oppression at the intersections of our society. [/quote]

All terrible things that need to be critiqued. Can be done in a very simple way within history class for example.

Parents can be experts on their kids as much as they want that has nothing to do with the intake of information.

[quote]Would you like it if kids were being taught traditional Christian conservative concepts? Or engaging in prayer at school? Well it goes both ways.[/quote]

No because we have overwhelming evidence that those concepts are harmful and that prayers considering different faith groups can't and shouldn't belong in schools.
Like there is evaluation being conducted and there is research that deals with education. Having a classist education system and all those different starting points for kids later in life is harmful. Some have zero knowlegde cause they were educated by the creepy uncle in the basment, others were in an underfunded public school and some rich capitalist son graduates from an elite private school.
Schools and education needs standardisation and high quality for all.

[quote]Authoritarian microcosmos???
It's somebodies home with a family.[/quote]
If parents chose to teach their kids at home they have control over the information they receive as well as over their social life. It might be a sweet family but it's still wrong and unhealthy.

I'm not are you a parent?

@RebelliousSpirit [quote] that critiques empire, white supremacy, anti-Blackness, anti-Indigeneity, racism, patriarchy, cisheteropatriarchy, capitalism, ableism, anthropocentrism, and other forms of power and oppression at the intersections of our society.

All terrible things that need to be critiqued. Can be done in a very simple way within history class for example.[/quote]

..and those are concepts promoted by the theories of CRT are they not? So are you acknowledging that such things [i]are[/i] taught in grade school? 🤔


[quote]No because we have overwhelming evidence that those concepts are harmful and that prayers considering different faith groups can't and shouldn't belong in schools.[/quote]

Are they? Harmful to whom? The kids and parents? That sounds like a personal preference, not facts.

[quote] there is evaluation being conducted and there is research that deals with education. Having a classist education system and all those different starting points for kids later in life is harmful. Some have zero knowlegde cause they were educated by the creepy uncle in the basment, others were in an underfunded public school and some rich capitalist son graduates from an elite private school.[/quote]

Of the 3 examples you list, homeschooling, private school, and public school, only public schools would be beholden to standardization. Certainly a private school would need to show results, but they aren't beholden to public school standardization. So if you chose to do that, you could expect more of what is happening now, middle class, upper class and rich parents sending their parents to private schools while only the poorest and most marginalized would attend public school. How would that work for your concept of standardization? Wouldn't you end up missing the very children you seem to believe need to be indoctrinated to your beliefs?

[quote]If parents chose to teach their kids at home they have control over the information they receive as well as over their social life. It might be a sweet family but it's still wrong and unhealthy.[/quote]

I think its very biased of you to assume that.

[quote]I'm not are you a parent?[/quote] No, I'm not a parent.

@SumKindaMunster only high quality public school should be an option like in other countries that made homeschooling illegal, have great public school systems and only few highly regulated private schools.

@RebelliousSpirit You an American?

@RebelliousSpirit So we done here?