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Are you worried about Brexit?

The news just seems to get worse. The UK economy is slowing compared to the EU and the Conservative politicians we send to Brussels only only now coming to terms with the complexity of the negotiating process. They still seem to harbour an exaggerated view of Britain's power. The EU has a combined economy of over five times our size and they will not want Britain to be followed by others. Hence our largest trading partner have every interest not to cut a good deal.

Thereasa May's actions have been beyond ridiculous. There was no need to trigger article 50 (the Bill to leave) so early and that has reduced the time frame for deals, further weakening Britain's position. She then called an election, which reduced her time, her majority and her credibility.

May's current position is that 'no deal is better than a bad deal'. No Thereasa, no deal is worse than any other deal. WTO trading terms have large tariffs and everything from our legal system to airport rules would be thrown into chaos. Britain's negotiating team includes Boris Johnson, David Davis and Liam Fox. All are euro-skeptics and by definition the least interested in the details and culture of the rules they are supposed to be negotiating. They are up against a highly trained a professional EU team backed by the united will of member states. The clueless Liam Fox has said that we can replace EU trade with our ex-colonies and that we are becoming a geography free world. Well an email might travel faster than the speed of sound but a cargo ship does not and this pathetic post-imperial fantasy of Britain as a great power should fool nobody.

FYI I don't even like the EU. It has a huge democratic deficit and I have lots of reasons to be against the single currency. That does not mean that leaving the EU now and on these terms will not be a complete disaster, whatever your ideology. I backed Remain for one reason only; pragmatism. That is something which our current Government conspicuously lack.
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Nyloncapes · 61-69, M
No not worried about brexit there is a big whole world out there, I just get fed up with all them remainers who can not accept a democratic vote, and will do everything they can to see us fail then can say we told you so, eu has had enough out of the UK, and only reason they want us is to keep there gravy train, London is major capital will survive out of eu
WoodyAq · M
@Nyloncapes it'll survive, but it's unlikely to thrive. The rest of the country will, of course, be poorer.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Nyloncapes Where is my post did I say that I did not accept the democratic vote.

Accepting and agreeing are different things, It worries me that a lot of people still have an exaggerated sense of Britain's power in this situation.
Nyloncapes · 61-69, M
The eu is a mess why do people think the UK can not survive of prosper without the eu, time to run our country , ourselves not people who you would not recognise if you say next to them on training going to work and who are never elected ,
WoodyAq · M
@Nyloncapes you can try it. But it'll be a real hit financially.
Nyloncapes · 61-69, M
So do you honestly think France Germany and other countries will not want to trade with us when we come out of eu get real ,
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Nyloncapes I agree the EU is a mess and that the bureaucracy is faceless. I even said so in my post. Our own political class are even worse and as much as they have a clue what they are doing, they plan to turn the UK into a tax haven for the rich. If this is taking back control, its not for you or me.

http://neweconomics.org/2017/01/4-reasons-tax-haven-brexit-bad-news-britain/
Nyloncapes · 61-69, M
How many workers would Merkel have to lay of in the car industry if she did not trade with us the workers would not be very happy with her
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Nyloncapes [quote]So do you honestly think France Germany and other countries will not want to trade with us when we come out of eu get real ,[/quote]

Of course they will but on whose terms?

They are over five times as large as us and they do not want anyone else to leave.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Nyloncapes [quote]How many workers would Merkel have to lay of in the car industry if she did not trade with us the workers would not be very happy with her[/quote]

Maybe a tiny number if any. Germany has export markets all over the place. rEU, China, America... British workers would lose out by a LOT more if we had to pay to export to what is by far our biggest market.

More info here:

https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/
WoodyAq · M
[@Nyloncapes Depends on what you have to sell, and how cheaply. If you are willing to work harder and get less, of course they'll trade with you.
Nyloncapes · 61-69, M
That's what we have to sort out Burnley and get a good deal for everyone so it works
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Nyloncapes I'm not optimistic. I would actually really like to believe pro-Brexit people on this but I really can't.
Nyloncapes · 61-69, M
I honestly think Burnley both sides in the run up to the referendum were a disgrace, we will I suppose just have to wait and see
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Nyloncapes I agree on that. It was a terrible campaign on both sides
Nyloncapes · 61-69, M
Yes Burnley both trying to score points and scare monger they should have been adult about it and treated the voters like adults, and a proper debate
WoodyAq · M
@Burnley123 and Nylon is confident, based on both sides running a terrible campaign that they can nonetheless run the negotiations and Britain well.

Talk about a leap of faith 😂
Nyloncapes · 61-69, M
I live in south London Burnley. Is Burnley where your from
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Nyloncapes Burnley actually LOL. I live in East London these days.
Nyloncapes · 61-69, M
Oh right are you in to politics , I am not really into it that much
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Nyloncapes Yes very much so. I am Labour Party member and Corbynista.
Nyloncapes · 61-69, M
Was you shocked at how well he is doing now and how well he did at last election, after his begining as leader
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Nyloncapes Yes he is doing great