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Are you worried about Brexit?

The news just seems to get worse. The UK economy is slowing compared to the EU and the Conservative politicians we send to Brussels only only now coming to terms with the complexity of the negotiating process. They still seem to harbour an exaggerated view of Britain's power. The EU has a combined economy of over five times our size and they will not want Britain to be followed by others. Hence our largest trading partner have every interest not to cut a good deal.

Thereasa May's actions have been beyond ridiculous. There was no need to trigger article 50 (the Bill to leave) so early and that has reduced the time frame for deals, further weakening Britain's position. She then called an election, which reduced her time, her majority and her credibility.

May's current position is that 'no deal is better than a bad deal'. No Thereasa, no deal is worse than any other deal. WTO trading terms have large tariffs and everything from our legal system to airport rules would be thrown into chaos. Britain's negotiating team includes Boris Johnson, David Davis and Liam Fox. All are euro-skeptics and by definition the least interested in the details and culture of the rules they are supposed to be negotiating. They are up against a highly trained a professional EU team backed by the united will of member states. The clueless Liam Fox has said that we can replace EU trade with our ex-colonies and that we are becoming a geography free world. Well an email might travel faster than the speed of sound but a cargo ship does not and this pathetic post-imperial fantasy of Britain as a great power should fool nobody.

FYI I don't even like the EU. It has a huge democratic deficit and I have lots of reasons to be against the single currency. That does not mean that leaving the EU now and on these terms will not be a complete disaster, whatever your ideology. I backed Remain for one reason only; pragmatism. That is something which our current Government conspicuously lack.
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TheCoolestCat · 31-35, M
nah ill be happy just as long as we dont pay that 100 billion the eu are looking for
benJohnson99 · 18-21, M
yes very worried.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@TheCoolestCat Perhaps we will have to pay something close. Our negotiation position is weak and that fact is slowly dawning on the Government.
WoodyAq · M
@TheCoolestCat the final bill will be more than that, all in.
TheCoolestCat · 31-35, M
i hop we dont pay it and just give them the finger and tell them to swivel on it
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@TheCoolestCat So you would back a no-deal Brexit ahead of paying that bill?
TheCoolestCat · 31-35, M
tbh i dont even care, i havent lived in the UK for 4 years, i live in ireland now and dont see myself going back home any time soon
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@TheCoolestCat Well Brexit will affect the Irish economy plenty. We are your biggest trading partner by far. The border question is a huge issue.
TheCoolestCat · 31-35, M
is it? i originally come from northern ireland, i dont see what the big deal about the border is really
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@TheCoolestCat Its a big deal. Read up on it.
WoodyAq · M
@TheCoolestCat borders are expensive to maintain, they slow things down, and create a lot of costs for individuals.
MethDozer · M
@TheCoolestCat UK would be fools to pay it. It's extortion.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@MethDozer Apparently there is money we overdue to longstanding agreements.
MethDozer · M
@Burnley123 Meh. Of course there is. Mainland Europe starts two world wars and gets bailed out and rebuilt by foreign nations and they think someone owes them money.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
You are talking about something which happened seventy years ago. Though btw the Marshall plan was done out of US self-interest because they wanted a market for their exports and because they wanted Europe as a buttress to the USSR.
MethDozer · M
@Burnley123 70 years ago isn't really that long ago in the scheme of things. Just because we had a small benefit doesn't mean that Europe and the EU would be dogshit without it. They cause the problems and get a bailout. Squeaky wheels get all the grease I suppose.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@MethDozer Look, it's irrelevant to Brexit debate but things are done for a reason and what I am talking about is a matter of historical record and not controversial.

The US had a rapidly expanding industrial economy and needed places to sell goods to, which post WW2 did not exist. The US establishment was fully behind the deal and saw it as in America's interests. They were also loans, not gifts. It also gave the US them more power to reshape the world economy through the newly created world bank and made the dollar the US reserve currency. Look up the Bretton Woods agreement for that. America's business and Government leaders did not sit around a table discussing how they could all be weak-ass cucks just because. If this hadn't happened, it is possible that the US would not currently be the world's biggest power.

In addition, it was also in the US Government's interests to prevent the USSR from dominating Western Europe. The Marshall Plan was a major benefit to Europe and a major benefit to America.

The biggest growth period for America and Europe was post-WW2 and this was one of the reasons.
MethDozer · M
@Burnley123 It was a brief prosperity with many unfortunate downfalls. But hell, Yay globalism.

It was a loss in hindsight for the masses at the profits of a few.
MethDozer · M
@Burnley123 Besides, all I am sayuing is given the history Europe or the EU saying someone owes them money is laughable. If anything it's the other way around.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@MethDozer Whatever the ethics, Britain is in a weak negotiation position following Brexit. Not all politicians are admitting it but there is a tacit agreement we will have to pay if we want trade deals.
MethDozer · M
@Burnley123 Y'all will be okay. I understand your concerns and such, but the Brits never stay down for long.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@MethDozer I hope you are right. All the best