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Young British people, please vote and please encourage your friends to vote.

The poll companies that think you won't turn up are predicting a huge Tory majority. This means May as PM for five years, austerity, student fees, hard Brexit and the country getting worse.

Those that predict you will turn up say that Corbyn can either win or at least stop May getting a majority.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/june2017/2017/06/election-2017-whats-polls

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Gumba1000 · M
Corbyn is a clown.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Gumba1000:
Gumba1000 · M
@Burnley123: Like it, but prefer Tory level of borrowing compared to the amount Labour would have to borrow to live up to their manifesto.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Gumba1000: Borrowing at low interests rates is low cost and can stimulate economic growth. Austerity is failure economically as well as morally because the public debt has gone up under the Tories.

Either way, private debt is a much bigger problem and that can only be solved by increasing our exports and rebuilding industry.
Gumba1000 · M
@Burnley123: Increasing exports and rebuilding industry I agree with. But none of the things pledged to buy back will do any of those things. Buying back the railways and utilities etc is a laudable idea but far too expensive.

We are better off by actually organising the state run organisations we have left and making them efficient. No one is doing that, therefore throwing more money at it will not solve it.

Private debt is a massive problem yes but no one has proposed how to solve that either.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Gumba1000: The things you mention don't deal with these problems but the proposed national investment bank would be (a small) step in the right direction. Small steps are all we can hope for in one manifesto with the country such a mess.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/economy/2017/05/labours-investment-bank-plan-could-help-fix-our-damaging-financial-system

I also support nationalisation of rail and energy. European trains are much better and much cheaper than our own. These are policies supported by the majority of the electorate.

A radical solution to private debt would be Steve Keen's debt jubilee. It is politically impossible right now though fyi Keen does back Corbyn.

Another post coming.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Gumba1000: A lot of people are worried about (punlic) debt increasing but the Keyenesian argument has value here. A household in debt must cut its expenditure but when you cut your spending your family don't lose their income.

That is what happens in country when the Government cuts when the economy is stagnant. The Keynesian paradox of thrift is a viscous cycle we are locked in. The Tories don't care about cutting debt (because they haven't done that) they just care about redistributing from the poor to the rich.
Gumba1000 · M
@Burnley123: The manifestos aren't binding though are they? Behind them are the people in the parties. Labour can't add up. Torys will rape you without lube. I personally want a future and I feel that if that requires me bending over for five years so I can live another thirty with the shirt on my back, then so be it. I don't think Labour can deliver what they have promised and what's more I think they will put us in a deeper hole.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Gumba1000: I have given my reasons why I disagree and debated the economics as well as the ethics. How will you be voting?
Gumba1000 · M
@Burnley123: I like that you have researched your argument and respect what you have said. You are not a mindless idiot like some whom are inheriting their votes from their parents etc. I am still voting Conservative though.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Gumba1000: I likewise respect you, even though I strongly disagree and worry about hard brexit consequences.
Gumba1000 · M
@Burnley123: We are leaving regardless. How hard it is I think really depends upon the EU rather than us. We saw we had little power in the EU, having said we are leaving, we have little or less power now.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Gumba1000: The EU will shaft us, of that there is no doubt.

They have over five times or economic power and are worried about other people leaving. Not to mention insurgent right-nationalists in their own domenstic politics. Brexit will have to be seen to go badly but it will go worse because of May's kamikazee negotiation a-la Juncker dinner. If the Conservatives prioritise ending freedom of movement it means no single market and no customs union. Our economy will take a huge hit and there will be a major recession. Labour's policy on soft Brexit is more sensible and less damaging.
Gumba1000 · M
@Burnley123: The choice for them it seems to be to be like getting rid of cancer. However this cancer is in a part of you, you would rather keep. Cutting us out may save the body but the body will be horribly disfigured and ultimately shorter.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
I have big problems with the EU and I am against the single currency. I did vote Remain but accept the result. We will leave and Labour supports that but I think the it will be worse come May:

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/05/no-theresa-may-no-brexit-deal-whole-lot-worse-bad-brexit-deal