Waveney · M
@Northwest Nope, you're responding to an argument I didn't make.
I never said Zionism means supporting the displacement of Palestinians. The thing the Greens don't understand is that Zionism encompasses a range of views, from right-wing nationalism to Jews who support a Palestinian state, oppose the occupation and defend Palestinian rights. What they share is the belief in Jewish national self-determination in some part of the historic Land of Israel.
That's precisely why defining Zionism itself as racism is a disaster. The Greens could condemn the Israeli government's actions in Gaza, the occupation, settlements or discrimination. Instead, they are attacking the underlying idea of Jewish national self-determination.
And that's why my point stands as Zionism is deeply connected to modern Jewish identity and to the historic Jewish connection to Israel.
You don't have to be a Zionist, and anti-Zionist Jews obviously exist, but pretending Zionism is simply synonymous with support for expelling Palestinians fundamentally misunderstands what the term means.
If a party declares the ideology embraced by a huge proportion of its Jewish members to be inherently racist, then telling those Jews they can remain acceptable only by disavowing that part of their identity creates an obvious problem. That's why they've turned what should have been a debate about Israeli government policy and subsequent genocide into how they are defining, and potentially excluding, Jews who identify as Zionists (which is pretty much all of them).
I never said Zionism means supporting the displacement of Palestinians. The thing the Greens don't understand is that Zionism encompasses a range of views, from right-wing nationalism to Jews who support a Palestinian state, oppose the occupation and defend Palestinian rights. What they share is the belief in Jewish national self-determination in some part of the historic Land of Israel.
That's precisely why defining Zionism itself as racism is a disaster. The Greens could condemn the Israeli government's actions in Gaza, the occupation, settlements or discrimination. Instead, they are attacking the underlying idea of Jewish national self-determination.
And that's why my point stands as Zionism is deeply connected to modern Jewish identity and to the historic Jewish connection to Israel.
You don't have to be a Zionist, and anti-Zionist Jews obviously exist, but pretending Zionism is simply synonymous with support for expelling Palestinians fundamentally misunderstands what the term means.
If a party declares the ideology embraced by a huge proportion of its Jewish members to be inherently racist, then telling those Jews they can remain acceptable only by disavowing that part of their identity creates an obvious problem. That's why they've turned what should have been a debate about Israeli government policy and subsequent genocide into how they are defining, and potentially excluding, Jews who identify as Zionists (which is pretty much all of them).
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Waveney · M
@Northwest directing me to this post is irrelevant. However, they’re not going to recover from this.
The Green Party have now adopted a position even more extreme than the Palestinian Authority, which at least advocates for a two-state solution and doesn’t question Israel’s right to exist.
With this position, the Greens are essentially saying that Israel is illegitimate.
Do you think the PA would be allowed to get away with saying that?
Polanski had the chance to show real leadership on this issue as he was not happy with this motion. But he blew it. And I think the Greens are finished.
The Green Party have now adopted a position even more extreme than the Palestinian Authority, which at least advocates for a two-state solution and doesn’t question Israel’s right to exist.
With this position, the Greens are essentially saying that Israel is illegitimate.
Do you think the PA would be allowed to get away with saying that?
Polanski had the chance to show real leadership on this issue as he was not happy with this motion. But he blew it. And I think the Greens are finished.
Northwest · M
The Green Party of Engliand/Wales Conference adopted a motion characterizing Zionism as an ethnonationalist political project and states that its real-world manifestation has involved the displacement and disenfranchisement of Palestinians.
There's nothing anti-semitic in that. It's a factual statement.
Assuming that any Jew should believe in displacement of Palestinians is their God given right is anti-human first and anti-semitic second.
There's nothing anti-semitic in that. It's a factual statement.
Assuming that any Jew should believe in displacement of Palestinians is their God given right is anti-human first and anti-semitic second.
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ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
I think the concept of Zionism as racist goes back to the old Zionist slogan of "A land without a people for a people without a land" -- in other words, the extremist viewpoint that the Arabs living in what would become Israel didn't count or exist. Like most viewpoints, the idea of a Jewish homeland can be taken to extremes.
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
You can blame Israelis for that. I supported Israel until they held back food, and reports came out of using human shields and very loose rules of engagement. I draw the line at starving kids as government policy.
TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 46-50, MVIP
Samzies in Australia.
Ironically they call everyone far right nazis to silence them
Ironically they call everyone far right nazis to silence them

