US Navy is falling apart.

What is ailing the aircraft carriers in the Iran theatre of war is also ailing the destroyers and submarines in the respective strike groups. They are all parked at sea a thousand miles away and out of the range of IRGC missiles. Moral is low. Nobody wants to fight the Iranians. Why doesn't Trump bring them home?

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anythingoes477 · M

The reason all of our ships and subs stay on station for extended deployments now...........but are virtually useless in the Straits of Hormuz..........is because the Strait is mined.............and the United States Navy has only 4 minesweepers left in service and all 4 of them are located offshore in Japan. So no American ship can go into the Strait safely for those onboard.

This in a nutshell describes how inept Drunk Pete is.......and trump. With no minesweepers to clear the Straits..............every ship over there will stay on deployment..........anchored......or cruising patterns to avoid being targeted by drones. Trump war of stupidity is now 6 months old....and for 6 months not one Minesweeper has been ordered to leave Japanese waters to assist in clearing the Strait.

ArishMell · 70-79, M

@anythingoes477 Is the Strait even deep enough for submarines to pass safely underwater? What could they do if they did enter the Gulf, if all the regular Iranian navy's ships have been destroyed or disabled? Torpedo merchant ships?

Besides which, for a surface ship cruising through there and along the Persion Gulf is tantamount to sailing along a line of big guns - albeit missiles and drones not artillery.

anythingoes477 · M

@ArishMell There is no advantage at all to a submarine entering the Straits. Because of the narrowness of the Straits along the coast controlled by the Iranians.............ships up to 35 miles away can nail anything moving in that narrow body of water.........and if not our air power can.

But the thing is............other than swift boats Iran has no Navy and no air force to "nail". Further making submarines in Hormuz a moot point.

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BrandonWyatt36 · 36-40, M

Kinda off Topic... But at my old Job one of the guys I worked with... His Brother was in the Navy and worked on a Submarine... I couldn't imagine basically living underwater in those... I'm claustrophobic... I would FREAK OUT... But 🤣🤣🤣

Khenpal1 · M

they are not designed to be at see for so long

ArishMell · 70-79, M

Others on SW havd said in the last few days that a relief task-force is now on its way. However, by diversion from its existing patrol; so how long will that have been at sea before it comes home or is relieved in turn?

Whether the other vessels are being relieved as well, or just the aircraft-carrier, I do not know.

Only Donald Trump and Peter Hegseth can really answer your question. I hazard a guess that they might think Iran regarding simple recall without replacement as the USA calling off its actions - even surrendering. Neither man wants that, as they would lose face.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@ArishMell

Whether the other vessels are being relieved as well, or just the aircraft-carrier, I do not know.

We are not at war in the true sense of that word. The US Navy has never been at war after WW2 ended in 1945. Since then, our navy was all for show. Even when it was supporting US hostilities around the world, it wasn't fighting sea battles against any enemy naval power. Our aircraft carriers and warships aree show pieces plying around the world making courtesy calls at foreign ports. Women, once taboo, are working alongside men on US Navy ships. And why not? Nobody gets killed in the navy and it is a great way to see the world for free and get paid.

ArishMell · 70-79, M

@sree251 Good point.

swirlie · 31-35, F

The US Navy is irrelevant in today's technological climate. The USS Gerald R. Ford was declared "obsolete" by the US Navy before it even came off the drawing board, costing about $1Trillion to manufacture. Yet knowing that, the US Navy went for it anyway because the United States of America still has a burning desire to be perceived as the Greatest Show On Earth and will pay any price to maintain that hideous illusion on the world stage.

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swirlie · 31-35, F

@ElwoodBlues
According to the US Navy, what actually makes an aircraft carrier obsolete today is that it can be sunk in a heartbeat by a single ballistic missile.

In addition to it's vulnerability in that regard, an aircraft carrier cannot defend itself on any level, which is why they are always escorted by a small armada of US Navy Destroyers which act as the 'guns and cannons' an aircraft carrier is not otherwise fitted with.

Therefore, to own an aircraft carrier also means owning about 5 destroyers which act as permanent escort vessels which play defense for that one floating airport, which is all an aircraft carrier really is. This means that carrier groups are obsolete permanently according to US Navy sources.

ElwoodBlues · M

@swirlie

can be sunk in a heartbeat by a single ballistic missile.

Actually, the patriot has had good success shooting down ballistic missiles. And that's an appropriate target because the costs are similar. They also shoot down cruise missiles and allegedly hypersonics. It's the swarms of low cost stuff that can clutter up radars and give cover to the big missiles. Swarms will be handled by the death rays.

an aircraft carrier cannot defend itself on any level,

That's why I said "carrier groups." Carriers don't leave home alone.

swirlie · 31-35, F

@ElwoodBlues
That is correct.

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