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Unpopular opinion. Calling people you disagree with "nazis" just pushes them further into their existing beliefs.

The views they support and the patterns in which they think and behave can resemble the dynamics that preceded Nazi Germany (and other terrible regimes in world history) but referring to them as the end result of that — "Nazis" — just makes them think you're crazy.

I'm not saying you're crazy for making the observation. I'm saying, from their perspective, because they don't bear a swastika and say "Heil Hitler", THEY think you're crazy. They don't see the same historical pattern you do.

I know because I used to think like them.

It would be more effective to walk them through the historical developments that led to those extreme outcomes, rather than immediately equating them to the end result.
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Theyitis · 36-40, M
I think I get what you’re saying, but my question is, does it really matter anyway? As other commenters have expressed, is there really anything you can say to a fascist that has a snowball’s chance in hades of changing his mind or causing him to realize that he’s being a fascist? I’ve argued with what I believe to be today’s fascists, Trump supporters and MAGA types on here and on Facebook. I have no shared reality with them. They think my facts are lies and vice versa I think their facts are lies. And of course I’ve read enough to know that one of the last things the human mind ever wants to do is admit it’s been duped. MAGA is their identity, and they will protect and defend it at almost any cost. And I feel like that’s just the tip of the psychological iceberg. What can you do?

It occurs to me, as other commenters here have pointed out, that calling them fascists is not for their sake, rather it’s intended for anyone on the fence who may be observing the conversation. Then again, I guess it’s still helpful to walk the fence-riders through the steps that led you to the conclusion that you’re talking to a fascist.

I feel like this is an abrupt ending and my comment here may be incomplete, but I have to go now.
brainrapist · 31-35, F
I completely disagree. Trying to prove to fascists why they’re fascists leads nowhere 99% of the time (if not more). These are people who are so completely propagandized and brainwashed that nothing you could do or say will change their minds. This thinking is imbedded into their being. These are people who believe socialism and communism is the worst outcome possible because someone like Hitler used the term “socialism”, and fascists are too dense to see through the manipulative tactics.

Also, it is not my responsibility to educate people. Majority of us have a plethora of information at our fingertips. It’s not our duty to constantly present facts to people who outright refuse to believe them. This is the same thing with zionists. This is why reading is so important.

And, honestly, I couldn’t care less if a nazi or a Zionist or a fascist thinks I’m crazy.
@brainrapist You disagree on what exactly? That it's better to "walk them through" or that calling them a nazi pushes them further into their existing beliefs? Or both?
brainrapist · 31-35, F
@SinlessOnslaught that it’s better to walk them through. I also think, depending on the person, they may take being called a nazi as a compliment
Gibbon · 70-79, M
I'm finding the ones calling someone Nazi is actually the one deserving of the title
Beetlejuice68 · 56-60, M
@Gibbon you say that like you know what socialism is.
Gibbon · 70-79, M
@Beetlejuice68 oh please take a walk and don't bother telling me it's not one step away from communism. I'm at least 12 years older then you and have memories you've only read about.
Beetlejuice68 · 56-60, M
@Gibbon older but no wiser or educated. And don’t start with respect your elders crap.
Beetlejuice68 · 56-60, M
If they act like nazis then there is no redemption for them anyway. I don’t see a down side.
@Beetlejuice68 I'm not suggesting excusing them. I'm suggesting taking a more careful approach to holding them accountable.
Beetlejuice68 · 56-60, M
@SinlessOnslaught yeah that has worked so well so far. Why do you think nazism and fascist ideologies in general have become a problem again in the first place? Because ‘nice’ people have been so tolerant.
@Beetlejuice68 Again, I'm not saying to be nice to them.
This is interesting and all but I do not care what a fascist thinks of me.

Calling something by its name is important.

Coddling them is not the point.
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I'm sad by the amount of people who misunderstood this post.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
I think you're right, may be not for everyone but certainly many.

Unless the one criticised actually IS a National Socialist sympathiser, it is no more than a nasty insult in extremely poor taste, likely to entrench the victim further as you suggest.

BUT......

It and similar insults frequently have nothing to do with the argument. They are just sneering at someone for holding a different opinion; often not even a criticism of the opinion itself..

Using such insults makes the attacker no better than what he or she accuses the opponent of.

It shows not only intolerance, but also inability or refusal to comprehend the other's view, and to discuss anything in a civil manner.
WolfGirlwh0r3 · 36-40, T
Okay how does one do so without them just going all special snowflake and screaming regurge talking points?
WolfGirlwh0r3 · 36-40, T
@SinlessOnslaught Totes agree homeslice!
@WolfGirlwh0r3 It's one thing to disagree with a post but it's a whole other thing entirely to fundamentally misunderstand the post. Which is what many people here are doing.

Not you.

Thank you for actually reading and comprehending.
WolfGirlwh0r3 · 36-40, T
@SinlessOnslaught I have always tried to the other side of arguments being made, unless they just are fundametally morally incompatible with my own stance then i choose to not engage unless the person is waving their euphamistic cock around like its their gods given right and moral superior stance to force everyone to see it, then i have to scorch their earth, usually they are the one backing down in the end

 
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