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Charlie Kirk was a product of internet culture

He traveled the country challenging college students to debates (which was the reason he was at Utah Valley University on the afternoon of his assassination), and participated in online political brawls with liberals. These gatherings weren’t actually about generating productive dialogue or changing minds. Rather, they were designed to create viral clips.

Kirk fit into what Jamie Cohen, associate professor of media studies at Cuny Queens College, describes as a collective of “media martyrs”, a group of online voices who claim to be bravely countercultural. His tactics appealed particularly to young men who saw him as a “truthsayer”.

In Cohen's view, Kirk’s acolytes believed they had been marginalized in a culture that had deprioritized white men. They saw him “as brave and willing to say what others won’t”, Cohen said, “though they rarely realized that Kirk was basically making it up for clicks and views”.

Truth right there.
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justbob · 61-69, M
He was a messenger speaking truth to people who badly needed to hear it and engaging in respectful debate with people who did not agree with him. We need more people like him.
@justbob Charlie Kirk couldn't stand word "empathy." Even though it's the heart of the Christian message.

Waveney · M
@BohoBabe Then I'll take it down for you :)
anythingoes477 · 31-35, M
@ElwoodBlues It was that clue....that told everyone who paid attention......his entire "christian" message was hypocrisy.
frugalhermit · 56-60, M
so charlie wasnt result of two adults conception thru exchange of bodily fluids??
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
He built his brand a lot like Ben Shapiro did. As a trained political operative going up against 19 year olds and producing clickbate.

However, at the Cambridge Union, the students had serious debate skill and he got crushed.
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@SatanBurger The thing that the Cambridge students did (and her in particular) was prepare. They knew his arguments forwards and backwards. When he ventured into British politics, he looked clueless.

It looked even better because she was over a foot shorter than him.
BohoBabe · M
Then he forget to pay his neck bill, so it exploded.
Miram · 31-35, F
I just think that the fact that he was killed is a problem that should not get shadowed by the fact that he was a pos..or by the fact that people support pos that align with their views irrespective of their destructive behaviors ..

His killing is plenty problematic. To truly care about that would be to tend to the social and political factors that lead to it. Not just to reacte to lack of sympathy.

It is big cluster eff up that is incredibly convoluted in so many ways.
@Miram We can condemn political violence and this hideous murder while also condemning Charlie Kirk for the rotten, vile hatred he fomented.

“I don’t support what happened to Charlie Kirk, but he did”
Miram · 31-35, F
@ElwoodBlues

That wasn't what I witnessed the majority do, hence my comment.
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1490wayb · 56-60, M
PURE BULLSHIT!! he listened to opposing views and engaged in respectful debates with anyone. as have many of varying beliefs and philosophies
Waveney · M
@Adrift So you have no evidence 😂
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@Adrift Really? I think an 18-19 year old who has earned a place at university is likely to be well equipped to deal with a multiplicity of ideas and exercise critical appraisal.

You started this thread by claiming Kirk debated reasonably and listened to opposing views. Now you seem to be pivoting towards his role as a politically acceptable conservative pedagogue. That is where I have a problem. He was delivering the ideology of his paymasters while pretending to be an independent freethinker.
Waveney · M
@SunshineGirl 100% correct
I agree with most of this but it predates current internet culture.

Evangelical "Christian nationalists" were teaching young people these tactics at least as far back as the 1990s. Social Media just gives them a bigger bullhorn.
Waveney · M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Oh I'm sure it does. But MAGA are desperately trying to claim he was there to debate honestly and to change minds - he was doing nothing of the sort, and even the younger conservatives are noting this.
@Waveney Oh absolutely.
@Waveney I just encountered this in high school too. The difference was their audience was one table in a high school cafeteria.
MoveAlong · 70-79, M
Charlie who?
Pretzel · 70-79, M
Won't disagree.

But it isn't justification to kill someone either.
@Pretzel Nobody is saying it is.

But it is interesting that so many avoid the inconvenient truth that is ideology has killed and harmed far more people.

But because it can be deflected with abstraction nobody talks about it.

Just like how an insurance company signing death warrants daily is "market forces".
@Pretzel We can condemn political violence and this hideous murder while also condemning Charlie Kirk for the rotten, vile hatred he fomented.

Such as

https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/1vetaae/charlie_kirks_documented_calls_for_political/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Memebuzzs/comments/1veqdb2/comment/p1jkvzv/
Pretzel · 70-79, M
@ElwoodBlues I didn't even bother to watch it because we are free to condemn the speach (or is it speech?) of anybody, anytime, anywhere.

And if you condemn it then you can't be surprised when somebody condems your for condemning it.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
He actually got owned in several debates there's several videos but they selectively cut his debates. All of his life was a lie and his arguments were bad, full of cognitive distortions. His whole life was edited and then appealed to white culture as a result cos they could propagandize that for their own needs.
BohoBabe · M
@SatanBurger Anyone who thinks Kirk was ever arguing in good faith should watch him debate Vaush on Tim Pool's show. Kirk backed off of literally every point. And it's always like that when a right-wing grifter has to debate someone with any knowledge of current events.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@BohoBabe I've seen other videos of him getting destroyed but I'll check out the Vaush one
anythingoes477 · 31-35, M
In other words he was a radicalized,, right wing racist, white supremacist........that appealed to other radicalized, right wing, racist, white supremacists.

Until one of his own shot him.
Adrift · 61-69, F
I saw him as just another personality for entertainment.
Shock jocks, radio talk show personalities, he was nothing new.
RedBaron · M
This is not much of an insight. Many if not most celebrities are products of the internet and social media.
RedBaron · M
@Waveney No shit, Sherlock.
Waveney · M
@RedBaron If you don't like it, then stop responding, or block me. Either suits me.
RedBaron · M
@Waveney I just speak my mind. Sorry to bother you.

 
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