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How would YOU solve a $300 billion pension funding gap? By reducing the retirement age from 57 to 55?



Photo above – Sri Lanka is the ONLY place in the world where you can retire on pension at age 55. California just matched it.

If you guessed it would be California reducing the retirement age for government workers to 55, go to the head of the class. After all, this is the state which has added a $30 minimum wage to the mix, and has a $21 billion gambler bullet train to Vegas in the works - (full disclosure: approval was granted in 2005, when it was named DesertXpress. No tracks have been laid yet. If it ever is built, the train will run 218 miles from Rancho Cucamonga, CA to Las Vegas, at about $100 million per mile.)

Back to that retirement thing: no other US state has a public employee retirement age below 60. California is dropping theirs from 57 to 55. Maybe the $265 billion pension funding gap already has a secret solution nobody is telling us about? (see link below).

$265 billion in unfunded pensions means each California resident ALREADY owes $6,600 to close the pension gap, even before the new lower retirement age. But not every California resident has a job, or pays taxes. Can someone subtract the children, stay at home parents, unemployed, etc to figure out the real unfunded debt per person? I’m guessing it’s somewhere between $15,000 to $20,000 for each taxpayer.

Most nations have a MUCH higher retirement age. Even progressive places like Sweden (67) and the UK (66). The only country which still has retirement at 55 retirement is Sri Lanka. The average income for a Sri Lankan is $180 a month, so let’s hope they don’t find out about California’s $30 an hour minimum wage too, eh?

I’m just sayin’ . . .


https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/california-s-pension-expansion-bills-will-burn-taxpayers-investors-opinion/ar-AA21l137?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=69e7534e8eba479db3459880de3842b8&ei=67


California's pension expansion bills will burn taxpayers, investors | Opinion
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NeddyKelly · M
Why not increase the retirement age to 65
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@NeddyKelly

The the pols need the govt workers' (read:slackers') votes.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@NeddyKelly they would lose the union vote on election day. state and local government employees might be the largest cohesive voting block.
MoveAlong · 70-79, M
You go California. They are now the 4th largest economy on earth. Up from 6th and only behind the US, China and Germany. That's ahead of Japan, India and the UK. Liberalism working for you.

I think they know what they are doing.
MoveAlong · 70-79, M
@SusanInFlorida

thanks for completely ignoring the actual content of my post, and accompanying links. you are everything we've come to expect from the monty python end of the universe

I went back over your thread to see what I missed. I don't think I missed anything that my original reply didn't cover. Budget problems like this are as common as a cold in November.

This not a hair on fire situation. It isn't even close to the .com financial crisis of the early 2000s. That was bad and it cost all of us but it wasn't a death blow.

It's not like the $265B (which may be closer to $180B) is due immediately. That is a projection of a lack of revenue to cover it over the next few decades. This is not at all uncommon for state governments. It is often covered by moving funds from one program to another or more commonly by temporary tax measures which no one likes but are a fact of life. Especially in California. IMO taxes are not a bad thing and are necessary. Some cities, counties and states just spend it and manage it better than others. That is what votes are for.

For the last 50 years we've been hearing how California is going to go broke with their liberal spending and high taxes. That has just not come to pass and it won't happen here.

I wasn't being flippant about Californias economy. It is a juggernaut. Since the .com crisis it has risen from 6th to 4th in the world. It's larger than only three countries on earth. They had a $4.5T dollar economy in 2025 (that generates a lot of revenue). While growth slowed down this year just like it has everywhere the projections for '27 are looking better. There appears to be no reason that California won't be able to meet their obligations in the coming years.

BTW the infamous H.B.1 cuts are projected to cost California approximately $270B over the next 30 years which would have covered it. Thanks MAGAs.

I'm sorry you didn't appreciate my earlier post my conclusion is the same.

California will be fine IMO.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@MoveAlong i'm sorry that i failed to recognize the "hair on fire" hurdle for posting in this forum. I will try to do better in the future, and self-censor topics you disagree with.

thank you for your conclusions. and thank you for reading my post, even though you denigrate the topic.
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beckyromero · 36-40, F
Some FYI on AB1383.

Seems sure to be soon going to their state Senate and after that sitting on Gov. Newsom's desk for a signature; I doubt he'll buck firefighters on it.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billVotesClient.xhtml?bill_id=202520260AB1383

REGISTERED SUPPORT / OPPOSITION:
Support


California Professional Firefighters (Sponsor)
Peace Officers Research Association of California (Co-Sponsor)
Alameda City Firefighters, Local 689
Alameda County Firefighters, IAFF, Local 55
Anaheim Firefighters Association, Local 2899
Atascadero City Firefighters, Local 3600
Burbank Fire Fighters, Local 778
California Association of Psychiatric Technicians
California Federation of Labor Unions, AFL-CIO
Carlsbad Firefighters Association, Local 3730
Cathedral City Firefighters Association, Local 3654
Chico Firefighters, Local 2734
Chula Vista Firefighters, Local 2180
Compton Firefighters, Local 2216
Contra Costa County Professional Firefighters, Local 1230
Corona Firefighters Association, Local 3757
Coronado Firefighters Association, Local 1475
Costa Mesa Firefighters, Local 1465
Davis Professional Firefighters Association, Local 3494
El Cajon Firefighters, Local 4603
El Dorado Hills Professional Firefighters, Local 3604
Encinitas Firefighters Association, Local 3787
Escondido Firefighters, Local 3842
Fallbrook Firefighters Association, Local 1622
Fremont Firefighters, IAFF, Local 1689
Fullerton Firefighters Association, Local 3421
Gilroy Firefighters, IAFF, Local 2805
Glendale Professional Firefighters, Local 776
Hayward Firefighters, Local 1909
Heartland Firefighters of La Mesa, Local 4759
Heartland Firefighters of Lemon, Grove Local 2728
Hemet City Firefighters Association, Local 2342
Kern County Firefighters, IAFF, Local 1301
Lakeside Firefighters Association, Local 4488
Long Beach Firefighters, Local 372
Marin Professional Firefighters, Local 1775
Modesto City Firefighters, Local 1289
Monrovia Firefighters, Local 2415
Monterey Firefighters Association, Local 3707
Murrieta Firefighters, Local 3540
NASA JPL Professional Firefighters, Local I-94
National City Firefighters Association, Local 2744
Nevada County Professional Firefighters, Local 3800
Newport Beach Firefighters Association, Local 3734
Oakland Firefighters, Local 55
Oceanside Firefighters Association, Local 3736
Ontario Professional Firefighters, Local 1430
Orange City Firefighters, Local 2384
Orange County Professional Firefighters Association, Local 3631
Oxnard Firefighters, Local 1684
Palm Springs Firefighters Association, Local 3601
Poway Firefighters Association, Local 3922
Professional Firefighters of Sonoma County, Local 1401
Rancho Cucamonga Firefighters Association, Local 2274
Redlands Professional Firefighters Association, Local 1354
Riverside City Firefighters Association, Local 1067
Sacramento Area Firefighters, Local 522
Salinas Firefighters, Local 1270
San Diego City Fire Fighters, IAFF, Local 145
San Jose Fire Fighters, Local 230
San Marcos Firefighters Association, Local 4184
Santa Barbara City Firefighters Association, Local 525
Santa Barbara County Firefighters, Local 2046
Santa Clara City Firefighters, Local 1171
Santa Clara County Firefighters, Local 1165
Service Employees International Union, California
Solana Beach Firefighters, Local 3779
Stockton Firefighters, Local 456
Torrance Firefighters Association, Local 1138
Vandenberg Professional Firefighters, Local F-116
Ventura County Professional Firefighters Association, Local 1364
Vista Firefighters Association, Local 4107

Opposition
California Special Districts Association
California State Association of Counties
League of California Cities
Rural County Representatives of California
Urban Counties of California
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@SusanInFlorida
there are now waaaay more union members in government jobs than private sector jobs.

Yes, indeed.

And who is going to vote against police officers and fire fighters?
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@beckyromero teaching, policing, and firefighting are the most secure jobs now. and in the future when AI takes over everything done from a desk or PC
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@SusanInFlorida

Trade jobs are fairly safe, too, for the time being: plumbers, electricians, auto mechanics.
they must have a new way of doing math........ or they have some money trees out in the back yard no one knows about.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@ReptilianFromPlanetCrush i think they're counting on the "one time only" wealth tax on bank accounts and investments creating a golden ticket for life.
pdockal · 56-60, M
That's not true
I know lots of people who have retired @ 55 in USA
pdockal · 56-60, M
@SusanInFlorida

Your WRONG
Pentions exist that can be taken @ 55
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@pdockal great. provide a link. no screaming rants, please.
pdockal · 56-60, M
@SusanInFlorida

Look @ most trade unions
Look @ most teachers
Some have age plus years of service with minimum of 55 years of age
Most police have to serve 20 years minimum
Crazywaterspring · 61-69, M
If the billionaires and big business paid taxes at the rates the rest of us do, governments would have plenty of money. Instead data centers get government loan guarantees and Israël gets our money to commit genocides.
Crazywaterspring · 61-69, M
@NeddyKelly Their lobbyiests write the tax laws and their pet politicians get them into law.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Crazywaterspring agreed - let's examine the historical problem of politicians (both parties) drafting legislation which gives advantages to their friends, family, and campaign contributors.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
"...each California resident ALREADY owes $6,600 to close the pension gap..."

No problem... with a $30/hr minimum wage, the Cali residents can easily afford it. 🙄
GerOttman · 70-79, M
I'm just spitballing here, but what if they taxed something?
GerOttman · 70-79, M
@NeddyKelly you know how cheap old people are, they would start dying sooner.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@GerOttman pension payments to retired workers are subject to income tax like any other income - federal income tax, state, and municipal (if any).

tax on social security income is exempt from tax in certain states, like California.
GerOttman · 70-79, M
@SusanInFlorida What's the over/under on that? I want in!!
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SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@jshm2 in the replies above someone proved that 100% of the public employee unions are backing this. they have to be the single largest special interest voting block in the state.

 
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