Waveney · 41-45, M
Israel has the right to exist within the boundaries that were originally drawn up in 1947.
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WestonTexan · 18-21, M
No.
If Israel has a right to exist, then so does Iran, and any other nation. But this "right to exist" is only ever stated of Israel, because it's used as a defense of the specific project of Zionism. A project I disagree with. So no, I do not believe in the "right" of the ethno-nationalist state of Israel to exist.
If Israel has a right to exist, then so does Iran, and any other nation. But this "right to exist" is only ever stated of Israel, because it's used as a defense of the specific project of Zionism. A project I disagree with. So no, I do not believe in the "right" of the ethno-nationalist state of Israel to exist.
Richard65 · M
The Talmud contains The Three Vows Argument: This perspective argues that God imposed three oaths on the Jewish people when they went into exile: not to force themselves back into the land, not to rebel against other nations, and not to hasten the redemption.
Rejection of Secular Zionism: Some Orthodox groups believe that creating a Jewish state by human power (secular Zionism) is a theological error and a rebellion against God, asserting that it should only happen in the messianic era,
So, many Jews themselves believe they shouldn't have a homeland because it is a sin against God. Of course, others interpret the Talmud differently, but it's not necessarily anti-Semitic to say they shouldn't have a homeland. Of course, those on the right don't think too deeply about such subjects. Knee-jerk reactions are their forte.
Rejection of Secular Zionism: Some Orthodox groups believe that creating a Jewish state by human power (secular Zionism) is a theological error and a rebellion against God, asserting that it should only happen in the messianic era,
So, many Jews themselves believe they shouldn't have a homeland because it is a sin against God. Of course, others interpret the Talmud differently, but it's not necessarily anti-Semitic to say they shouldn't have a homeland. Of course, those on the right don't think too deeply about such subjects. Knee-jerk reactions are their forte.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
BlueVeins · 26-30
It isn't the fault of the current generation of Israelis, that their nation was built upon the graveyard of native peoples. People should have a right to live where they were born, ideally, and the existence of an Israeli state in modern times makes sense in upholding that right.
However, Israel has, through its actions, chosen to make its existence incompatible with the existence of other nations and peoples in the Middle East. For that reason, it has lost its right to uphold itself as a political entity.
However, Israel has, through its actions, chosen to make its existence incompatible with the existence of other nations and peoples in the Middle East. For that reason, it has lost its right to uphold itself as a political entity.
Northwest · M
You present this as if the issue is theoretical.
It is not.
Just like any other nation, Israel exists.
What Israel does not have the right to do, is occupy the West Bank and wage a war of near extinction, directly through sustained carpet bombing and making living conditions impossible in Gaza.
It is not.
Just like any other nation, Israel exists.
What Israel does not have the right to do, is occupy the West Bank and wage a war of near extinction, directly through sustained carpet bombing and making living conditions impossible in Gaza.
Jackaloftheazuresand · 31-35, M
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Jackaloftheazuresand
This is a discussion forum. We come here to talk and express our views. What is wrong with you? If you want coffee, go to a coffee shop.
You've already been told or did you forget. Do the work yourself
This is a discussion forum. We come here to talk and express our views. What is wrong with you? If you want coffee, go to a coffee shop.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
sree251 · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955
Israel is an invasive project for acquisition of territory by force. There has been no attempt at resolution till this day.
More than that is the abetting of this criminal behavior by the US and its western allies.
I object to its religious base and the inherent bigotries involved in that form of a country.
Israel is an invasive project for acquisition of territory by force. There has been no attempt at resolution till this day.
I also object to it stealing land and killing the owners of the land.
More than that is the abetting of this criminal behavior by the US and its western allies.
ididntknow · 56-60, M
sree251 · 41-45, M
@SumKindaMunster
What would you like to discuss? You are better than most here. What is your prediction with regard to Israel's survival as a nation state?
Interesting....anything else?
What would you like to discuss? You are better than most here. What is your prediction with regard to Israel's survival as a nation state?
SumKindaMunster · 56-60, M
@sree251 I think it has an excellent chance of survival.
Any student of history can see how much further along they are than the Palestinians.
They have defeated Egypt, Syria, and Jordan in military conflict.
They have treaties with other Arab nations around them.
They have advanced their society, military, and civilian populations WAY more than their Arab neighbors.
They are a stable, Western democracy with partners in the West, including their biggest benefactor, the United States.
Any student of history can see how much further along they are than the Palestinians.
They have defeated Egypt, Syria, and Jordan in military conflict.
They have treaties with other Arab nations around them.
They have advanced their society, military, and civilian populations WAY more than their Arab neighbors.
They are a stable, Western democracy with partners in the West, including their biggest benefactor, the United States.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@SumKindaMunster
I think you are right. I do feel that we are invincible.
They are a stable, Western democracy with partners in the West, including their biggest benefactor, the United States.
I think you are right. I do feel that we are invincible.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
Yes of course. A no brainer.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@sree251 I'm pretty sure human beings and most fauna exist by way of natural selection and biology yes. If you mean separation between animal and human you might have a point.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@Roundandroundwego Chaos is not Anarchy. Anarchy is order without leaders. Only the Holy Spirit has the Authority to lead. No human can.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@basilfawlty89
I was pointing to the distinction between the human body (which is biological) and the human being. The latter is something else.
I'm pretty sure human beings and most fauna exist by way of natural selection and biology yes. If you mean separation between animal and human you might have a point.
I was pointing to the distinction between the human body (which is biological) and the human being. The latter is something else.
SumKindaMunster · 56-60, M
emiliya · 26-30, F
@SumKindaMunster Israel is younger than my grandparents. And it is in the news every day.
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
Every nation with territorial rights is an artificial construct. Why start and stop with Israel?
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Diotrephes · 70-79, M
turningthekeys · 31-35, F
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
No.
ididntknow · 56-60, M
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