Will there be any point in voting in the midterms, or will Trump and company have the system rigged by then?
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sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
ElwoodBlues · M
@sunsporter1649 tRump's proposal is merely a badly disguised voter suppression effort. We get it; republicans can't survive without voter suppression, but that doesn't make it any less criminal!!
I have NO PROBLEM with the theory of voter ID, as long as it's free and easy. I DO have a problem with the practice of making it differentially harder for the elderly & working poor. https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/challenge-obtaining-voter-identification
"Voter ID laws have been estimated by the U.S. Government Accountability Office to reduce voter turnout by 2-3 percentage points, translating to tens of thousands of votes lost in a single state." https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/block-the-vote-voter-suppression-in-2020/
Alabama is a case in point. A state shouldn't be allowed to do what Alabama did, passing voter ID laws and then closing ID issuing offices in predominantly poor or black counties.
Historical Baseline: A landmark 2014 study cited by the Brennan Center for Justice found only 31 credible instances of voter impersonation out of more than 1 billion ballots cast between 2000 and 2014.
Mail-In Voting Rates: Recent data from the Brookings Institution indicates that between 2016 and 2022, fraudulent mail-in ballots accounted for approximately 0.000043% of total mail votes cast, or roughly 4 cases for every 10 million ballots.
The Heritage Foundation's Election Fraud Database, which tracks a wider range of irregularities, has identified 1,620 total proven instances of voter fraud since 1982. Given that over 1 billion votes were cast in federal elections alone during a shorter period (1988–2020), this equates to a very low rate of occurrence relative to the total volume.
It's hard to parse your newest whine, sunstroke, but I'm guessing you're talking about gerrymandering and the brand new Democratic enthusiasm for the process. That is driven by two SCOTUS decisions.First, Rucho vs Common Cause (Jun 2019) said gerrymandering is OK by SCOTUS. Second is Abbott vs League (Dec 2025), which said Texas is free to redistrict and further gerrymander anytime they choose.
So yeah, SCOTUS, perhaps shortsightedly, blessed and even engendered the current wave of gerrymandering in blue states. Red states were hoist by their own petard! Deal with it🤣🤣
I have NO PROBLEM with the theory of voter ID, as long as it's free and easy. I DO have a problem with the practice of making it differentially harder for the elderly & working poor. https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/challenge-obtaining-voter-identification
"Voter ID laws have been estimated by the U.S. Government Accountability Office to reduce voter turnout by 2-3 percentage points, translating to tens of thousands of votes lost in a single state." https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/block-the-vote-voter-suppression-in-2020/
Alabama is a case in point. A state shouldn't be allowed to do what Alabama did, passing voter ID laws and then closing ID issuing offices in predominantly poor or black counties.
Historical Baseline: A landmark 2014 study cited by the Brennan Center for Justice found only 31 credible instances of voter impersonation out of more than 1 billion ballots cast between 2000 and 2014.
Mail-In Voting Rates: Recent data from the Brookings Institution indicates that between 2016 and 2022, fraudulent mail-in ballots accounted for approximately 0.000043% of total mail votes cast, or roughly 4 cases for every 10 million ballots.
The Heritage Foundation's Election Fraud Database, which tracks a wider range of irregularities, has identified 1,620 total proven instances of voter fraud since 1982. Given that over 1 billion votes were cast in federal elections alone during a shorter period (1988–2020), this equates to a very low rate of occurrence relative to the total volume.
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It's hard to parse your newest whine, sunstroke, but I'm guessing you're talking about gerrymandering and the brand new Democratic enthusiasm for the process. That is driven by two SCOTUS decisions.First, Rucho vs Common Cause (Jun 2019) said gerrymandering is OK by SCOTUS. Second is Abbott vs League (Dec 2025), which said Texas is free to redistrict and further gerrymander anytime they choose.
So yeah, SCOTUS, perhaps shortsightedly, blessed and even engendered the current wave of gerrymandering in blue states. Red states were hoist by their own petard! Deal with it🤣🤣
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@ElwoodBlues Our hearts bleed for you, your voting districts are so equally split, all elektions should be run your way, everyone needs rank-choice voting and districting according to one-party affillitation, right?
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
ElwoodBlues · M
@sunsporter1649 It's hard to parse your newest whine about voting districts, sunstroke, but I'm guessing you're talking about gerrymandering and the brand new Democratic enthusiasm for the process. That is driven by two SCOTUS decisions.First, Rucho vs Common Cause (Jun 2019) said gerrymandering is OK by SCOTUS. Second is Abbott vs League (Dec 2025), which said Texas is free to redistrict and further gerrymander anytime they choose.
So blue states followed Texas' lead in redistricting. Yeah, SCOTUS, perhaps shortsightedly, blessed and even engendered the current wave of gerrymandering in blue states. Red states were hoist by their own petard! Deal with it🤣🤣
So blue states followed Texas' lead in redistricting. Yeah, SCOTUS, perhaps shortsightedly, blessed and even engendered the current wave of gerrymandering in blue states. Red states were hoist by their own petard! Deal with it🤣🤣
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
trollslayer · 51-55, M
@sunsporter1649 the problem with you tin-foilers is that the fact your guy didn’t win is the only evidence you need to claim elections are unfair or insecure.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@trollslayer The three greatist myths of the 21st century....Santa Clause, the Tooth Fairy, and joe got 82,000,000 votes
trollslayer · 51-55, M
@sunsporter1649 see! There you go again! Perfectly illustrating my point!!!
ElwoodBlues · M
@sunsporter1649 tRump's proposal is merely a badly disguised voter suppression effort. We get it; republicans can't survive without voter suppression, but that doesn't make it any less criminal!!
I have NO PROBLEM with the theory of voter ID, as long as it's free and easy. I DO have a problem with the practice of making it differentially harder for the elderly & working poor. https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/challenge-obtaining-voter-identification
"Voter ID laws have been estimated by the U.S. Government Accountability Office to reduce voter turnout by 2-3 percentage points, translating to tens of thousands of votes lost in a single state." https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/block-the-vote-voter-suppression-in-2020/
Alabama is a case in point. A state shouldn't be allowed to do what Alabama did, passing voter ID laws and then closing ID issuing offices in predominantly poor or black counties.
Historical Baseline: A landmark 2014 study cited by the Brennan Center for Justice found only 31 credible instances of voter impersonation out of more than 1 billion ballots cast between 2000 and 2014.
Mail-In Voting Rates: Recent data from the Brookings Institution indicates that between 2016 and 2022, fraudulent mail-in ballots accounted for approximately 0.000043% of total mail votes cast, or roughly 4 cases for every 10 million ballots.
The Heritage Foundation's Election Fraud Database, which tracks a wider range of irregularities, has identified 1,620 total proven instances of voter fraud since 1982. Given that over 1 billion votes were cast in federal elections alone during a shorter period (1988–2020), this equates to a very low rate of occurrence relative to the total volume.
Regarding your whine about voting districts, sunstroke, I'm guessing you're talking about gerrymandering and the brand new Democratic enthusiasm for the process. That is driven by two SCOTUS decisions.First, Rucho vs Common Cause (Jun 2019) said gerrymandering is OK by SCOTUS. Second is Abbott vs League (Dec 2025), which said Texas is free to redistrict and further gerrymander anytime they choose.
So blue states followed Texas' lead in redistricting. Yeah, SCOTUS, perhaps shortsightedly, blessed and even engendered the current wave of gerrymandering in blue states. Red states were hoist by their own petard! Deal with it🤣🤣
I have NO PROBLEM with the theory of voter ID, as long as it's free and easy. I DO have a problem with the practice of making it differentially harder for the elderly & working poor. https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/challenge-obtaining-voter-identification
"Voter ID laws have been estimated by the U.S. Government Accountability Office to reduce voter turnout by 2-3 percentage points, translating to tens of thousands of votes lost in a single state." https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/block-the-vote-voter-suppression-in-2020/
Alabama is a case in point. A state shouldn't be allowed to do what Alabama did, passing voter ID laws and then closing ID issuing offices in predominantly poor or black counties.
Historical Baseline: A landmark 2014 study cited by the Brennan Center for Justice found only 31 credible instances of voter impersonation out of more than 1 billion ballots cast between 2000 and 2014.
Mail-In Voting Rates: Recent data from the Brookings Institution indicates that between 2016 and 2022, fraudulent mail-in ballots accounted for approximately 0.000043% of total mail votes cast, or roughly 4 cases for every 10 million ballots.
The Heritage Foundation's Election Fraud Database, which tracks a wider range of irregularities, has identified 1,620 total proven instances of voter fraud since 1982. Given that over 1 billion votes were cast in federal elections alone during a shorter period (1988–2020), this equates to a very low rate of occurrence relative to the total volume.
Regarding your whine about voting districts, sunstroke, I'm guessing you're talking about gerrymandering and the brand new Democratic enthusiasm for the process. That is driven by two SCOTUS decisions.First, Rucho vs Common Cause (Jun 2019) said gerrymandering is OK by SCOTUS. Second is Abbott vs League (Dec 2025), which said Texas is free to redistrict and further gerrymander anytime they choose.
So blue states followed Texas' lead in redistricting. Yeah, SCOTUS, perhaps shortsightedly, blessed and even engendered the current wave of gerrymandering in blue states. Red states were hoist by their own petard! Deal with it🤣🤣
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M