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Jake966 · 56-60, M
Medicare shouldn’t be something for all just for those who really need it and can’t work
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
@Jake966 This Medicare For All semantics mash-up -- intended to win support for universal health care since most people are satisfied with Medicare -- has just confused the issues involved.
1. Health care will not become more affordable until the cost is spread over everyone like auto insurance is. Otherwise the mostly healthy young people will continue to go without health insurance because they figure they don't need it, leaving the older people who can least afford it (and the young who are surprised with cataclysmic health crises) to foot the high end costs for either risk-adjusted health insurance or property tax payers in public hospitals.
2. As long as we cling to the fable of Marcus Welby fee-for-service medicine, making house calls and living totally by the Hippocratic Oath of do no harm and being a Good Samaritan, the health care system is going to be fraught with layer upon layer of mark-up profit for and gotcha games between for-profit insurers and hospitals and doctors -- not to mention the great opportunities for fraud at every transaction.
3. We need a universal health care system to spread the costs over the entire population because we are all going to need that health care system at some juncture. We need to move away from the fee-for-service, piece-rate billing system that even Medicare uses, and all the risks and abuses it brings with it. Any one for a $30 bandaid, or an unneeded tonsillectomy? The Affordable Care Act actually had steps to move in that direction, where provider networks would be encouraged to work in treatment teams and would be paid for treatment modalities, competing on terms of quality, outcomes, cost, and service in the marketplace rather than cost alone. And it actually did take the first step in mandating minimum levels of coverage by health plans, screening out the el cheapo for profit rip off insurers who collect premiums and pay for very little if anything after pre-existing conditions, high co-pays, and every exclusion they can think of. But nearly two decades of obstruct has derailed that as the confusion over the terms Medicare and Universal Health Care are doing now.
1. Health care will not become more affordable until the cost is spread over everyone like auto insurance is. Otherwise the mostly healthy young people will continue to go without health insurance because they figure they don't need it, leaving the older people who can least afford it (and the young who are surprised with cataclysmic health crises) to foot the high end costs for either risk-adjusted health insurance or property tax payers in public hospitals.
2. As long as we cling to the fable of Marcus Welby fee-for-service medicine, making house calls and living totally by the Hippocratic Oath of do no harm and being a Good Samaritan, the health care system is going to be fraught with layer upon layer of mark-up profit for and gotcha games between for-profit insurers and hospitals and doctors -- not to mention the great opportunities for fraud at every transaction.
3. We need a universal health care system to spread the costs over the entire population because we are all going to need that health care system at some juncture. We need to move away from the fee-for-service, piece-rate billing system that even Medicare uses, and all the risks and abuses it brings with it. Any one for a $30 bandaid, or an unneeded tonsillectomy? The Affordable Care Act actually had steps to move in that direction, where provider networks would be encouraged to work in treatment teams and would be paid for treatment modalities, competing on terms of quality, outcomes, cost, and service in the marketplace rather than cost alone. And it actually did take the first step in mandating minimum levels of coverage by health plans, screening out the el cheapo for profit rip off insurers who collect premiums and pay for very little if anything after pre-existing conditions, high co-pays, and every exclusion they can think of. But nearly two decades of obstruct has derailed that as the confusion over the terms Medicare and Universal Health Care are doing now.
Jake966 · 56-60, M
@dancingtongue can you see how good Obama did ? Un affordable healthcare because he tried to make it universal for everybody and if you couldn’t afford it, there was a penalty which was absolutely stupid so your whole spread equally to everyone theory doesn’t work
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
@Jake966 Never got a chance to find out. Obstructed and gutted from day one by those who ridiculed it by calling it Obamacare.
The spread equally theory actually works in most of the industrialized world through universal health care.
The spread equally theory actually works in most of the industrialized world through universal health care.
Jake966 · 56-60, M
@dancingtongue I would just rather leave it as something that we can choose which healthcare we want or if we even want it . I have talked to people from Canada and they don’t like their healthcare system as you get older. You get turned down for certain procedures because of your age over there.
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
@Jake966 And you're going to pay for that health care of yours as you grow older out of your own pocket, right? No relying on that socialized Medicare, right?
Jake966 · 56-60, M
@dancingtongue that health care is no charge due to benefits at work for life . So I guess you don’t know everything




