lailaayelet · 26-30, F
Covid-19 and Ukraine war are more expensive than Brexit. I am told that Britain was a haven before EU.
Immigrants cost money. Shutting down economies costs money. Wars cost money. You know nothing about money.
Immigrants cost money. Shutting down economies costs money. Wars cost money. You know nothing about money.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
Crikey. So we need to put up with 50 years of restricted personal freedoms and suppressed economic growth before we perceive a "benefit"? That would not have won the argument in 2016.
What did swing the vote was the prospect of an extra £360m a week for the NHS. Although no one quite knows who was responsible for the marketing, Farage should be held accountable as he reaped most of the political advantage. Leaving the EU has made it more difficult to police our borders and has increased migration from non-European countries.
He is fast running out of enemies to blame.
What did swing the vote was the prospect of an extra £360m a week for the NHS. Although no one quite knows who was responsible for the marketing, Farage should be held accountable as he reaped most of the political advantage. Leaving the EU has made it more difficult to police our borders and has increased migration from non-European countries.
He is fast running out of enemies to blame.
ididntknow · 56-60, M
ArishMell · 70-79, M
Don't blame the civil-servants. They don't create policies. They operate policies devised by politicians.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout Possibly. It has never like asking the views of its own citizens, and popular support for it is patchy but very hard to gauge.
I see it as a potentially good idea wrecked by over-weening ambition. I do not know what are "globalsists" but the EU is run by three sets of people too set in their comfy bureacracy.
They are the elected member of the European "Parliament", which never has time or the knowledge to debate anything properly, so mainly rubber-stamping the proposals from -
The Council of Ministers, politicians elected as members of their own parliaments but chosen at that level to represent their national government in the EU; and -
The European Commission. Supposedly just administrative. The unaccountable body of ex-politians appointed from their governments, surrounded by anonymous "advisory" committees and lobby-groups, who dream up the EU's unending flood of regulations. I have read mInutes of a few EC meetings, and immediately you never know who says what, only which nation says what. So you cannot trace an individual's c.v. to establish his or her experience relevant to the discussion. It's usually safe to assume none!
To be fair some of the regulations are truly international, set by bodies and treaties like the UN, ISO, WHO, MarPol, etc.
My view is we need omly are some basic treaties, mainly for international trade, finance, travel, security and mutual assistance. These operated at national-government level day-to-day, but organised at EU level in meetings perhaps annually or twice-annually, maybe in rotation around the member states; with all the Minutes and audited accounts published freely and openly.
It would be far more efficient, far cheaper to run, not need vast buildings in Brussels and Strasbourg (let alone that idiotic six-monthly swapping from one to the other). It would need fewer support staff, mainly translators, accountants, solicitors and researchers; these based in their own countries apart from meetings in others. The "reseachers" being people knowing how and where to find specialist information on professional-technical matters - agriculture, building, science, transport, engineering, medicine,. etc..
We can but dream but I think the EU as it is, is its own worst enemy, holding the seeds of its own collapse.
I see it as a potentially good idea wrecked by over-weening ambition. I do not know what are "globalsists" but the EU is run by three sets of people too set in their comfy bureacracy.
They are the elected member of the European "Parliament", which never has time or the knowledge to debate anything properly, so mainly rubber-stamping the proposals from -
The Council of Ministers, politicians elected as members of their own parliaments but chosen at that level to represent their national government in the EU; and -
The European Commission. Supposedly just administrative. The unaccountable body of ex-politians appointed from their governments, surrounded by anonymous "advisory" committees and lobby-groups, who dream up the EU's unending flood of regulations. I have read mInutes of a few EC meetings, and immediately you never know who says what, only which nation says what. So you cannot trace an individual's c.v. to establish his or her experience relevant to the discussion. It's usually safe to assume none!
To be fair some of the regulations are truly international, set by bodies and treaties like the UN, ISO, WHO, MarPol, etc.
My view is we need omly are some basic treaties, mainly for international trade, finance, travel, security and mutual assistance. These operated at national-government level day-to-day, but organised at EU level in meetings perhaps annually or twice-annually, maybe in rotation around the member states; with all the Minutes and audited accounts published freely and openly.
It would be far more efficient, far cheaper to run, not need vast buildings in Brussels and Strasbourg (let alone that idiotic six-monthly swapping from one to the other). It would need fewer support staff, mainly translators, accountants, solicitors and researchers; these based in their own countries apart from meetings in others. The "reseachers" being people knowing how and where to find specialist information on professional-technical matters - agriculture, building, science, transport, engineering, medicine,. etc..
We can but dream but I think the EU as it is, is its own worst enemy, holding the seeds of its own collapse.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
@ArishMell Never a good idea to have endless faceless bureaucrats in endless chambers with no accountability to anyone.
All that costs money. Maybe that's what the number on the side of the bus meant.
All that costs money. Maybe that's what the number on the side of the bus meant.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Picklebobble2 Could be. As fasas I know no-one has ever really tried to find why its books would not balance year after year for years. The Commission, including Neil Kinnock at the time, moved fast against her when one of its own auditors did some investigating and tried to present her findings to the European Parliament.
MartinII · 70-79, M
Utter nonsense. More generally, this is not a site where most people take kindly to political lectures.
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MasterLee · 56-60, M
Communism is a failed ideology
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@Daviszabecki one day with a lot of guidance, you too may be able to spot communism
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