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ItsMeMorgue · 46-50, F
@Kwek00 I was being facetious when I spoke of him dying of old age. I realize he's only the face of the problem. Getting rid of him would be like killing Hitler. It would feel like a huge step in the right direction, but it would actually accomplish nothing. The number of people who would have to be removed by any means necessary in this country to get it back is actually bigger even than you realize.

Wiping out the entire Heritage Foundation would be a good start. That's the factory where they make these people. Ans the billionaires? Line them up against the wall, because we know it's impossible to have a conscience and acquire dragon hoard levels of money. Every single one of them has contributed to the current situation, with the possible exception of Richard Branson, who seems content to play with his spaceships.

You'll notice I haven't even gotten around to naming any politicians. That's because, from a practical standpoint, we first have to do away with their owners.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@ItsMeMorgue
Wiping out the entire Heritage Foundation would be a good start.

Well, the Herritage foundation, at the moment, also represents a coalition of a bunch of far-right think tanks and activists groups. The Herritage Foundation is just the spearhead of this entire construction. And then you have the media network, starting with FOX, OAN, ... and a large amount of alternative media, that are all spreading the same lies. Something that has started, since Reagan changed the media landscape by aboloshing the "fairness doctrine". With the idea that people were smart enough, to do their own media in a fair way without the nanny-state having to look into anything. And what we see, is that this isn't true... espescially the conservative media enviorment has shown the world that they are not mature enough to be honest about politics.

I do think the tax-system needs to be taken care off. The fact that these super rich, can obtain so much political power is totally insane. However, even though that's where the sponsering is comming from, I don't see these millionaires as the real problem of this movement. People like Thiel and Musk are way more in the background, and both have expressed that they don't have the power that they would like to have. I also don't think that white christian nationalists like them so much, and that movement is IMO the driving force of most of the descisions that are being made. This overly focus on capitalists and billionaires in this movement, is giving those rich folk a bit to much credit.
ItsMeMorgue · 46-50, F
@Kwek00
Well, the Herritage foundation, at the moment, also represents a coalition of a bunch of far-right think tanks and activists groups.
Correct. Just the tip of the iceberg, and what we need to focus on is who is funding that group. But taking their toy away from them would be a start.
Something that has started, since Reagan changed the media landscape by abolishing the "fairness doctrine".
Correct. This was how they began shaping their propaganda department as we know it today. Reversing that decision is vitally important.
This overly focus on capitalists and billionaires in this movement, is giving those rich folk a bit to much credit.
Oh, I don't give them credit for shaping the system. But they still have to go, because they benefit from the system, to the point where they have enough money and power to keep the system the way they like it.

Kwek00 · 41-45, M
What repercussions are there for these types of politics? Because I don't see any. The group in power is pushing and pushing, but there is no real way to hurt them. The reason why there is no real way to hurt them, is because key positions in the Judicial brand are infiltrated by loyalists and congress isn't functioning. So, as a citizen, you only have yourself and your like minded people.

Don't forget what the head of the herritage foundation said:

We are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.

- Kevin Roberts (02.07.2024)

These people are prepared to use violence, to get what they want. And you can see that in the streets of Minneapolis right now. You also got a good view of it on january the 6th 2021.These people don't want to talk, they are zealots. And they don't recognise the opposition as equals OR even human beings. So the time of talking is over, because they don't even recognise your seat at the table anymore.

You can still protest as much as you want, in the hope to reach a peacefull understanding... but once that turns bloody, your options are supremely limited. If you are not ready to pick up a pitchfork, then you are lost against these types. Because they are willing to do what is nescessary to create their vision. They don't care about you because in their eyes you are just immoral garbage and you either shut up or get removed. This rhetoric, is really clear for people that have been listening for the past 10 years.
FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F
@Kwek00 I agree. And media things that say that the administration is scrambling or terrified or grasping is not what they should be saying because it provides a false sense of security. People feel like things are going to be okay and they don't have to do anything or worry, when in fact, they need to be actively participating in making sure their communities are able to handle what is to come or may come.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@FoxyGoddess I honestly think, that there is a certain fear for the elections... because everything says they are going to loose.

But from the poppulist perspective, they are going to loose from people that they believe don't even have the right to vote. So even if you win, there will be another myth created about how the election is stolen. And there will be no repercursion for this, this myth will just fester in the minds of the true believers. And this will create more steam that at some point in the future will find release in terrible ways.

Last time, these guys backed up from going tull revolutionairy, they are still working within the system. But if they loose again, I don't think they are going to work within the system. There is no reason too... and like I said, these people are "all in". Even if they pardon themselves, there needs to be a reckoning. This group of radicals, wrecked the country so hard, that the path you are now dependent on, will only have worst choices and outcomes, then if they were never in power at all. And your insititutions have just been infiltrated by the same loyalist zealots. And these people are very aware, that will all the precedents they are creating, that they will give away a pretty authoritarian executive branch to the opposition? Why would you ever do that? Or is the supreme court just going to admit that the previous rullings (like the immunity ruling) were just a mistake and they smartened up just in time so that the new administration can finally be checked and balanced again?

... Not to mention, if the truth that is happening in those camps that they have build, finally comes out? I mean, ICE is masked, because they don't want people to know who is doing the attrocities. But ICE is largely operating in the view of those that are on the streets. In those detention centers, there is no oversight. After the truth comes out, there will be very little to be proud of as an American.
Yeah, I’m getting a little tired of that, too.
But it begs the question:
Which is preferable, baseless optimism or total despair ?
FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F
@bijouxbroussard As I said, I'm all for hope. Hope is what keeps us going. It's when we finally lose hope that things are going to get real, real fast.

But, there's only so long that you can string me along before I start saying, "I'll see it when I believe it." If death is truly my only hope, that's not really much hope. It is when people hope for death that the object of that hope ends up having an unnaturally long life. 😐
@FoxyGoddess Yes, I’ve said that, too. People thought "he couldn’t possibly be elected" after he was convicted in court of all those crimes. And then he was allowed to continue running for the highest office in the land ! We’ve pretty much had to accept that this isn’t business as usual.

Fascism in the United States…perhaps I can believe it because of the past treatment of certain groups here, including my own. But I admit, even I didn’t expect to see it return, full-blown.
ScreamingFox · 41-45, F
I for one am sick of the hope. Don't give me hope, give me strength.
FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F
@ScreamingFox For real! At least give me direction! Not just give me fake hope that the grotesque tater tot is going to keel over out of fright or anger.
@FoxyGoddess hey, don't insult tater tots like that!
FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F
@NerdyPotato i said he was grotesque, which puts him outside of your self respecting tot.
He's definitely scared, but that indeed doesn't mean it will end soon. All I'm seeing is a drowning man clutching at straws, which is all the more dangerous.
@FoxyGoddess he's trying everything he can think of to cancel the elections for starters, because he knows that will be a disaster for him.
FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F
@NerdyPotato does he? Or is he just making sure that he is the forever ruler of America? The people who are under him pushing all of this are definitely scared, and they are using him as the tool to get what they want, but I don't see him as scared. I just see him saying, "I should rule this country forever, and the people love me, so why do we need elections?"
@FoxyGoddess hmm, fair enough. And the other distractions can also be seen as simply "I do whatever I want" 🤔
Nick1 · 61-69, M
Even if he is against the wall, he will try for maximum gain and hang on desperately as long possible. He will try to do maximum damage, economically and politically, nationally and internationally.
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