I’d like to see the medical record of the ICE agent who got “run over”

@ElwoodBlues What are the training certifications of perps using motor vehicles as weapons?

@sunsporter1649 She was pulling a K-turn; only a fool steps in front of a car pulling a K-turn.

The ICE thug didn't begin firing his weapon until he was out of the path of the vehicle. He was SAFE. He shot a fleeing "suspect." That's in direct contravention of ICE rules, not to mention common sense.

Here's the 110 page ICE Firearms and Use of Force Handbook
https://imlive.s3.amazonaws.com/Federal%20Government/ID255426897069329047495080324203699905714/2.2.1_Attachment%2021%20-%20ICE%20Firearms%20and%20Use%20of%20Force%20Directive%20and%20Handbook.pdf

Page 12 includes the following:

4) Deadly force is not authorized solely to prevent the escape of a fleeing suspect. Deadly force against a fleeing subject is only authorized if there is probable cause to believe that the escape of the suspect would pose an imminent danger of death or serious bodily injury to the officer or another person.

Also, Department of Homeland Security (DHS) guidance—specifically, 2014 ICE/Border Patrol use-of-force policies—

“It should be recognized that a half-ounce (200-grain) bullet is unlikely to stop a 4,000-pound moving vehicle, and if the driver … is disabled by a bullet, the vehicle will become a totally unguided threat,” it says. “Obviously, shooting at a moving vehicle can pose a risk to bystanders including other agents.”

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-border-killings-20140227-story.html

@sunsporter1649 Some ICE thugs yelled as Ms Good to get out of there; others yelled at her to stop. It's all on the videos. She can't obey both, sunstoke; surely you must understand that much!!

The ICE thug Jonathan Ross didn't begin firing his weapon until he was out of the path of the vehicle. He was SAFE. He shot a fleeing "suspect." That's in direct contravention of ICE rules, not to mention common sense.

Here's the 110 page ICE Firearms and Use of Force Handbook
https://imlive.s3.amazonaws.com/Federal%20Government/ID255426897069329047495080324203699905714/2.2.1_Attachment%2021%20-%20ICE%20Firearms%20and%20Use%20of%20Force%20Directive%20and%20Handbook.pdf

Page 12 includes the following:
4) Deadly force is not authorized solely to prevent the escape of a fleeing suspect. Deadly force against a fleeing subject is only authorized if there is probable cause to believe that the escape of the suspect would pose an imminent danger of death or serious bodily injury to the officer or another person.

Also, Department of Homeland Security (DHS) guidance—specifically, 2014 ICE/Border Patrol use-of-force policies—
“It should be recognized that a half-ounce (200-grain) bullet is unlikely to stop a 4,000-pound moving vehicle, and if the driver … is disabled by a bullet, the vehicle will become a totally unguided threat,” it says. “Obviously, shooting at a moving vehicle can pose a risk to bystanders including other agents.”
https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-border-killings-20140227-story.html

@ElwoodBlues Yup, "get out of the car", you will have to ask her why she did not comply with lawful orders from uniformed law enforcement

@sunsporter1649 The ICE thug didn't begin firing his weapon until he was out of the path of the vehicle. He was SAFE. He shot a fleeing "suspect." That's in direct contravention of ICE rules, not to mention common sense.

Here's the 110 page ICE Firearms and Use of Force Handbook
https://imlive.s3.amazonaws.com/Federal%20Government/ID255426897069329047495080324203699905714/2.2.1_Attachment%2021%20-%20ICE%20Firearms%20and%20Use%20of%20Force%20Directive%20and%20Handbook.pdf

Page 12 includes the following:

4) Deadly force is not authorized solely to prevent the escape of a fleeing suspect. Deadly force against a fleeing subject is only authorized if there is probable cause to believe that the escape of the suspect would pose an imminent danger of death or serious bodily injury to the officer or another person.

Also, Department of Homeland Security (DHS) guidance—specifically, 2014 ICE/Border Patrol use-of-force policies—

“It should be recognized that a half-ounce (200-grain) bullet is unlikely to stop a 4,000-pound moving vehicle, and if the driver … is disabled by a bullet, the vehicle will become a totally unguided threat,” it says. “Obviously, shooting at a moving vehicle can pose a risk to bystanders including other agents.”

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-border-killings-20140227-story.html

@ElwoodBlues A fleeing perp that committed a felony by attempting to murder a uniformed law enforcement officer using a deadly weapon

@sunsporter1649 What part of the following two sentences do you fail to understand??

4) Deadly force is not authorized solely to prevent the escape of a fleeing suspect. Deadly force against a fleeing subject is only authorized if there is probable cause to believe that the escape of the suspect would pose an imminent danger of death or serious bodily injury to the officer or another person.

And what part of the following two sentences do you fail to understand??

“It should be recognized that a half-ounce (200-grain) bullet is unlikely to stop a 4,000-pound moving vehicle, and if the driver … is disabled by a bullet, the vehicle will become a totally unguided threat,” it says. “Obviously, shooting at a moving vehicle can pose a risk to bystanders including other agents.”

@ElwoodBlues A fleeing perp that committed a felony by attempting to murder a uniformed law enforcement officer using a deadly weapon

@sunsporter1649 Even if your suppositions were true (they are false), they still don't justify killing the driver. ICE's own rule state so clearly.

Renee Nicole Good was pulling a K-turn; only a fool or a completely untrained officer would step in front of a car pulling a K-turn.

The ICE thug didn't begin firing his weapon until he was out of the path of the vehicle. He was SAFE. He shot a fleeing "suspect." That's in direct contravention of ICE rules, not to mention common sense.

Here's the 110 page ICE Firearms and Use of Force Handbook
https://imlive.s3.amazonaws.com/Federal%20Government/ID255426897069329047495080324203699905714/2.2.1_Attachment%2021%20-%20ICE%20Firearms%20and%20Use%20of%20Force%20Directive%20and%20Handbook.pdf

Page 12 includes the following:

Also, Department of Homeland Security (DHS) guidance—specifically, 2014 ICE/Border Patrol use-of-force policies—
https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-border-killings-20140227-story.html

@ElwoodBlues

ICE agent shoot and kill man who tried to run him over during operation ‘Midway Blitz’

Woman shot after allegedly attempting to hit ICE agents with car in Chicago



You detect a pattern yet of perps using vehicles to attempt to murder law enforcfement officers?

@ElwoodBlues more evidence will come out. But it is a narrow icy street. The ICE vehicles were stuck. It’s possible she drove the wrong way down a one way street to block them in. But why block in a vehicle that is already stuck? And how did she get her car perpendicular? Maybe I watch too many detective shows, but it doesn’t add up. Either her car was there blocking the street before ice got there, or she had to drive the wrong way down a one way street and then started a K turn. If she wanted to run a guy over, then she would speed down the street and aim at them. But she tried to turn around instead. And if she wanted to block them, what purpose would that serve? All the other protesters were on foot, but she was in a car? Don’t you think if she wanted to block their path she could have done so at the end of the street away from the ICE agents, gotten out of her vehicle and left it there, rather than drive the wrong way all the way down the street in front of them to initiate a turn? Makes no sense. I’m thinking this was a woman who accidentally drove the wrong way down a one way street, ICE harassed her, and when she tried to turn around, possibly having issues with the road conditions, ICE approached her aggressively, and “fight or flight” kicked in. I could be totally wrong, but there should be enough evidence to figure out what happened.

@sunsporter1649 sunstroke asks
The pattern is well known; it's official name is "officer created jeopardy." DoJ has long been aware that certain psychopathic officers will briefly step into the path of a moving vehicle as an EXCUSE to kill.

That's why the DoJ's own use-of-force policy says that agents may not fire at a moving car that is threatening them unless “no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.”

We know your reading comprehension is challenged, so I'm gonna say that again: ...unless “no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.”

..unless “no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.”

Now what did Officer Jonathan Ross do immediately prior to pumping three rounds into the 37 year old mother? What did Ross do?

Officer Jonathan Ross stepped out of the path of the moving vehicle.

Gosh, that's the EXACT means of defense the DoJ cites!!

Officer Jonathan Ross utilized his means of defense, and then, as the vehicle was going past him, he fired three shots. First, he defended himself. Then he killed Renee Good.

Back to the topic of "officer created jeopardy." Turns out that was exactly the subject of the 2nd source I cited for you. We know your reading comprehension is challenged, but go back and take a look at
https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-border-killings-20140227-story.html
The pattern of manufacturing an excuse to kill is well known to law enforcement leadership.

@ElwoodBlues A fleeing perp that committed a felony by attempting to murder a uniformed law enforcement officer using a deadly weapon

@sunsporter1649 Not in the case of the pattern known as "officer created jeopardy."

@ElwoodBlues LOL, so a perp pulling out a deadly weapon, commenly called a gun, and wounds a uniformed law enforcement officer, should be permitted to run away without consequence, eh

@sunsporter1649 says

so a perp pulling out a deadly weapon,

Irrelevant. That's not the case here. This is a case of the pattern known as "officer created jeopardy," which is way too common in vehicle stops. See SCOTUS Barnes v. Felix 2025.

@ElwoodBlues So an automobile is not a deadly weapon, eh

@sunsporter1649 Not if the officer intentionally puts herself or himself into jeopardy, nope.

That's why the DoJ's own use-of-force policy says that agents may not fire at a moving car that is threatening them unless “no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.”

We know your reading comprehension is challenged, so I'm gonna say that again: ...unless “no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.”

..unless “no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.”

Now what did Officer Jonathan Ross do immediately prior to pumping three rounds into the 37 year old mother? What did Ross do?

Officer Jonathan Ross stepped out of the path of the moving vehicle.

Gosh, that's the EXACT means of defense the DoJ cites!!

@ElwoodBlues LOL, interfering with a lwaful operatin by uniformed officers, disobeying lawful orders, two officers down, deadly weapon aimed at uniformed officers, just the action every law-abiding citizen would take, eh

@sunsporter1649 says What the heck you talking 'bout, sunstroke?? Two officers down???

The deadly action was taken by Officer Jonathan Ross.

That's why the DoJ's own use-of-force policy says that agents may not fire at a moving car that is threatening them unless “no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.”

We know your reading comprehension is challenged, so I'm gonna say that again: ...unless “no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.”

..unless “no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.”

Now what did Officer Jonathan Ross do immediately prior to pumping three rounds into the 37 year old mother? What did Ross do?

Officer Jonathan Ross stepped out of the path of the moving vehicle.

Gosh, that's the EXACT means of defense the DoJ cites!!

@ElwoodBlues LOL, striking uniformed officers with a moving vehicle is not the use of force to avoid detention, eh