Compare & contrast Noriega 1990 vs Maduro 2026.
I don’t recall as big of an outcry in 1990.
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ElwoodBlues · M
On December 15, 1989, Panamanian leader Manuel Noriega and his legislature declared a "state of war" with the United States. Around that time, Panamanian armed forces also had a shootout with US Marines, ultimately killing 1st Lt. Robert Paz.
Declaring war with the US and shooting at US forces gave Bush a pretty solid excuse for fighting back against Panama and Noriega.
Like Maduro, there was a US grand jury indictment of Noriega, which was later dismissed in a Florida court.
https://casebook.icrc.org/case-study/united-states-united-states-v-noriega
I think the indictment against Maduro was secret until his capture.
Declaring war with the US and shooting at US forces gave Bush a pretty solid excuse for fighting back against Panama and Noriega.
Like Maduro, there was a US grand jury indictment of Noriega, which was later dismissed in a Florida court.
https://casebook.icrc.org/case-study/united-states-united-states-v-noriega
I think the indictment against Maduro was secret until his capture.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@ElwoodBlues
What is the basis of the US Department indictment against an alien abducted from foreign land?
I think the indictment against Maduro was secret until his capture.
What is the basis of the US Department indictment against an alien abducted from foreign land?
ElwoodBlues · M
@sree251 In the case of Maduro, I can't see any basis. Maduro has diplomatic immunity as a foreign head of state. The 1988 indictment against Noriega that I linked to above was dismissed on more or less those diplomatic immunity grounds.
In the case of Noriega, I think his declaration of war made him a legitimate target for military capture.
In the case of Noriega, I think his declaration of war made him a legitimate target for military capture.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@ElwoodBlues
For once, we are in agreement. Don't make this a habit. I can't have doubt cast on my sanity.
A declaration of war alone has significant reason for retaliation?
In the case of Maduro, I can't see any basis. Maduro has diplomatic immunity as a foreign head of state. The 1988 indictment against Noriega that I linked to above was dismissed on more or less those diplomatic immunity grounds.
For once, we are in agreement. Don't make this a habit. I can't have doubt cast on my sanity.
In the case of Noriega, I think his declaration of war made him a legitimate target for military capture.
A declaration of war alone has significant reason for retaliation?
ElwoodBlues · M
@sree251 Declaration plus the shooting, as I wrote at the top of this thread.
I've been against tRump since he rode down his golden escalator in 2015. How long did it take you to oppose tRump??
I can't remember about you; are you a denier of anthropogenic climate change? Are you a vaccine denier? Are you a Covid conspiracy theorist?
I've been against tRump since he rode down his golden escalator in 2015. How long did it take you to oppose tRump??
I can't remember about you; are you a denier of anthropogenic climate change? Are you a vaccine denier? Are you a Covid conspiracy theorist?
sree251 · 41-45, M
@ElwoodBlues
I base my judgment on Trump's conduct on the way he discharges his duties as public servant. I don't oppose him. I want him removed immediately from office by Congress. Unfortunately, there is no provision in the Constitution for summary dismissal in the manner we all get fired from our jobs.
I've been against tRump since he rode down his golden escalator in 2015. How long did it take you to oppose tRump??
I base my judgment on Trump's conduct on the way he discharges his duties as public servant. I don't oppose him. I want him removed immediately from office by Congress. Unfortunately, there is no provision in the Constitution for summary dismissal in the manner we all get fired from our jobs.