Do people who cheer on this kind of military aggression not understand that American troops rape and murder innocent civilians?

@ArkBallet Is it easier for you to say "the people involved", rather than "the people we attacked"?

I really wonder what has to happen before Americans realize that they've gone from being "heroes" (in their own minds, no one else ever thought so), to undeniable villains.

At least you people used to say "we're fighting terrorism". Now you're just like "they have oil 🫪".

@Nightwings I just refuse to believe the only choices are “cheerlead the troops blindly” or “hate every single person wearing the uniform equally.” There’s room for hating the empire while still seeing the humans it uses as fuel. That’s not centrism. That’s just refusing to let the war machine turn my empathy into another casualty. You’re right that the victims rarely get their day. The tributes, the flyovers, the “thank you for your service” platitudes, it drowns out the mourning that should be happening for the people whose lives we shattered. I wish there were more spaces that forced that acknowledgment. Maybe then fewer people would be so quick to cheer when the next “axis of evil” gets announced. So yeah I’ll own that America has a long, ugly ledger of atrocities. I just won’t pretend the ledger is written entirely in the blood of the people who were handed rifles and sent to collect the debt. That’s where I stand.

@nudistsueaz Your arguments about tribal loyalty and personal authority ignore atrocities happening before your eyes. These atrocities occur when the public embraces military aggression, and civilians pay the price. That is what your defense is enabling right now.

@SinlessOnslaught Oh, wrong again.

@nudistsueaz Guess you never served, did you? Always enjoy listening to people talk about something they have no experience with.

@Miram Definitely not.

@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout And as usual, you make a joke when I talk about real atrocities. Your suspension of disbelief is amazing.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Yeah.

@SinlessOnslaught I don't think you will get much humanity from people who think it is fine to use an M2 Browning on civilians.

@SinlessOnslaught

Kiwibi is a catfish anyways. It is a man.

He was called out years ago. If I were you, I would only interact with those I know off this place and verified their identities about these topics.

They are personas. That is why they find this entertaining.

@SinlessOnslaught Now you are getting to the real issues.

One of the very few things I liked about President Trump's campaign in 2024 was that he stated emphatically that he was against foreign wars and "nation building".

Now it looks like we are about to go to war with a new country. At least this time I suppose it's good we are being honest about it being for oil. 🙄

But when you call out a group and don't specify if you mean the whole group or some subset or some few individuals within the group and then proceed to accuse that ambiguous number of people of some atrocity ... well you do not do yourself any good and you end up discrediting your entire argument.

By your logic I could say:
Venezuelans rape & murder, or
Palestinians rape & murder, or
Israelis rape & murder, or
Russians rape & murder, or
Ukrainians rape & murder

And all these things would be true, right? But they are not. They are inflammatory. That is my point.

Hopefully we are still friends. 🫂

Hi @Miram ... There is nothing wrong with acknowledging the cruelties of life. There certainly are many. We, as a species, are unique in the animal Kingdom in our ability to be cruel to one another.

But there is good and bad in every subset of humanity and I object to painting groups with a broad brush. That's my only point here. Be well. 🫂