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PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
The EU and Europe more generally are irrelevant 4th rate "powers" that don't matter.
They feel that because they went along with the US proxy war they are entitled to dictate terms.
They don't.
They are broke and the Ukrainian army literally has more deserters than the combined armies of the UK, France and Germany.
They feel that because they went along with the US proxy war they are entitled to dictate terms.
They don't.
They are broke and the Ukrainian army literally has more deserters than the combined armies of the UK, France and Germany.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow What exactly is your standpoint? You seem very pro-Russian Federation in your sneers at any other country.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@ArishMell This is not a football match. This is not about picking team. The fact you think that matters at all tells me for you this is just about blind ideology and political narratives.
If you want to delude yourself into pretending the EU still has the economies and mighty armies of the 18th and 19th century because it makes you feel good that is on you.
The rest of us need to live in reality.
You accuse me of being pro Russian for no other reason than I don't parrot blind pro American/EU (same thing) ideological talking points and delusional ideas of western victory when even the Pentagon has openly stated this war is lost and nothing will change that.
But hey if you want to cheerlead sending yet more Ukrainians to die for no reason that is totally on you. That doesn't make it right or moral.
If you want to delude yourself into pretending the EU still has the economies and mighty armies of the 18th and 19th century because it makes you feel good that is on you.
The rest of us need to live in reality.
You accuse me of being pro Russian for no other reason than I don't parrot blind pro American/EU (same thing) ideological talking points and delusional ideas of western victory when even the Pentagon has openly stated this war is lost and nothing will change that.
But hey if you want to cheerlead sending yet more Ukrainians to die for no reason that is totally on you. That doesn't make it right or moral.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow All you can manage is sneering. I do not "cheerlead" anyone into wars. Russia is losing huge numbers of young men too, needlessly, in a war started by Russia for Russia's own reason.
Putin has at least been consistent in making clear his aim is to subsume Ukraine into his Greater Russia. He had NO reason to do so other than his own greed.
NO-ONE pretends the EU has the same armies it had in the past. The EU has no army anyway. Its individual nations have those, though I do agree a lot smaller than in the Cold War days.
I think you pro-Russian simply because you so clearly despise the USA, Ukraine and all European countries.
Putin has at least been consistent in making clear his aim is to subsume Ukraine into his Greater Russia. He had NO reason to do so other than his own greed.
NO-ONE pretends the EU has the same armies it had in the past. The EU has no army anyway. Its individual nations have those, though I do agree a lot smaller than in the Cold War days.
I think you pro-Russian simply because you so clearly despise the USA, Ukraine and all European countries.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@ArishMell You do. You are blindly supporting a war based on an ideological belief system regardless of reality. And coming from a military family I have absolute contempt for such ridiculousness.
The difference is Russia has about 10 times the population and can absorb those loses. Ukraine cannot.
The average age of a Ukrainian soldier is somewhere between 45 and 50 now.
This war was started by the US and NATO. But you want to pretend the empire you live in are perfect angels because of your feelings.
Putin has been very clear what this is about. But you have made up his motives based on American claims. You have no interest in the truth or facts. Just blind pro American ideological beliefs.
You are pretending exactly that by denying objective reality. They cannot fight your ideological holy war with imaginary soldiers.
The US is the greatest danger to world peace and has been since 1945. That is objectively true.
Ukraine is an American puppet used for cannon fodder by the Americans and the EU so they can feel like they are still imperial powers and still relevant on the global stage.
But you insist on pretending imperial hubris is a virtue.
The difference is Russia has about 10 times the population and can absorb those loses. Ukraine cannot.
The average age of a Ukrainian soldier is somewhere between 45 and 50 now.
This war was started by the US and NATO. But you want to pretend the empire you live in are perfect angels because of your feelings.
Putin has been very clear what this is about. But you have made up his motives based on American claims. You have no interest in the truth or facts. Just blind pro American ideological beliefs.
You are pretending exactly that by denying objective reality. They cannot fight your ideological holy war with imaginary soldiers.
The US is the greatest danger to world peace and has been since 1945. That is objectively true.
Ukraine is an American puppet used for cannon fodder by the Americans and the EU so they can feel like they are still imperial powers and still relevant on the global stage.
But you insist on pretending imperial hubris is a virtue.
Khenpal1 · M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow how you know , ever been traveling recently ?
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@Khenpal1 All of this is public information if you bother to look into it. The problem is most people just blindly believe anything their 6 o'clock news tells them to believe. No thinking or educating yourself required.
And all I Have to say to that is this.
And all I Have to say to that is this.
Khenpal1 · M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I prefer to look at things over longer period of time , you know what you know and even less how it applies.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@Khenpal1 Just an example. According to statements made by the Ukrainian Rada and Ukrainian media they have charged over 450 000 people for desertion from the AFU.
That is more than the UK, France, and Germany combined can field.
And those are just the ones facing charges. Another scandal in Ukraine right now is there are thousands more deserters that are not reported by their commanders who just pocket their paychecks.
All of these things can be verified and easily found.
That is more than the UK, France, and Germany combined can field.
And those are just the ones facing charges. Another scandal in Ukraine right now is there are thousands more deserters that are not reported by their commanders who just pocket their paychecks.
All of these things can be verified and easily found.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@Khenpal1 Bottom line you can't dictate a war you have no army to fight.
Khenpal1 · M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow If you look at world war II , it was the same .
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PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@Khenpal1 I see you are one of those ideologues that ignores all facts and believes anything you are told.
And fYI the US only took at most 20% of Afghanistan in 20 years.
That is not the gotcha you think it is.
And war is not just about taking territory.
And China has very little to do with it beyond profiting off both sides.
According to American sources Russia produces between 3 or 4 times the number of artillery shells than all of NATO combined.
The Pentagon issued an official statement that nothing can be done that will change the course of the war in Ukraine's favor.
Ukraine lost 4000 square Kms last year alone.
But I guess you believe any nonsense that confirms your pro American war mongering.
You are willing to dismiss even the Ukrainian government themselves because it doesn't fit your ideological narrative and your feelings.
And fYI the US only took at most 20% of Afghanistan in 20 years.
That is not the gotcha you think it is.
And war is not just about taking territory.
And China has very little to do with it beyond profiting off both sides.
According to American sources Russia produces between 3 or 4 times the number of artillery shells than all of NATO combined.
The Pentagon issued an official statement that nothing can be done that will change the course of the war in Ukraine's favor.
Ukraine lost 4000 square Kms last year alone.
But I guess you believe any nonsense that confirms your pro American war mongering.
You are willing to dismiss even the Ukrainian government themselves because it doesn't fit your ideological narrative and your feelings.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@Khenpal1 And great job proving you know nothing about WW2 either. Although the Ukrainian fascists lost that one too. But they were given refuge in Canada and the US. That is why their evil ideology was brought back to Ukraine first in the 1950s and then the 1990s.
Could you even find Kiev on a map before Feb 24 2022?
Could you even find Kiev on a map before Feb 24 2022?
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow so are you suggesting that Ukraine just roll over? It seems that Putin invading Ukraine is not the same as asking them if they want to be Russian. It seems more to be like Anschluss and the Sudetenland annexation as a prelude to WWII.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@VeronicaJane Zelensky sold out his country for an American and EU proxy war. And they lost.
Bottom line they can surrender now or wait till they are at the Polish border.
Both can be true at the same time. Zelensky and co forced the issue. And he lied his way into office too. He got elected promising reconciliation. And now he has just declared himself President for life.
And keeping the war going keeps him in power indefinitely.
And your childish nazi comparisons shows you know nothing of the current conflict or the history.
Fun fact, the people who run Ukraine fought for the Waffen SS and the west has been rehabilitating the Waffen SS in support of this proxy war.
So that is not a road you want to go down.
And not that you would care about specifics but there never was a real invasion. Invasion actually means something.
But hey, figures a keyboard general thinks they are an expert .
Could you even find Kiev on a map before Feb 2022? I doubt it.
Bottom line they can surrender now or wait till they are at the Polish border.
Both can be true at the same time. Zelensky and co forced the issue. And he lied his way into office too. He got elected promising reconciliation. And now he has just declared himself President for life.
And keeping the war going keeps him in power indefinitely.
And your childish nazi comparisons shows you know nothing of the current conflict or the history.
Fun fact, the people who run Ukraine fought for the Waffen SS and the west has been rehabilitating the Waffen SS in support of this proxy war.
So that is not a road you want to go down.
And not that you would care about specifics but there never was a real invasion. Invasion actually means something.
But hey, figures a keyboard general thinks they are an expert .
Could you even find Kiev on a map before Feb 2022? I doubt it.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@VeronicaJane I guess you expect Ukraine to fight to the last Ukrainian for your ideological narrative. For you it is just an ideological thought exercise.
Khenpal1 · M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I think they will
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PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@Khenpal1 It is quite obvious you don't care about anyone over there since you are in a hurry to have them fight to the death for your virtue signaling.
Khenpal1 · M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow bring it on kid
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@Khenpal1 Typical keyboard warrior. Demanding others die for your ideology while leading from the rear from the other side of the world.







