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What will it cost us if the skeptics right, and AI is just a bubble? Suppose lots of those data centers sit empty, like abandoned shopping malls?



Photo above - Xi Jinping, Secretary General of the Chinese Communist Party, swears this video released yesterday is NOT a fake/AI. That the first 5,000 robots were just delivered. So America, you'd better watch out!

Transcript of an imaginary phone call which might or might not have taken place:

(Ginormous tech company)“Good news, everyone! We’re going to build 5 data centers the size of the Pentagon in cornfields 100 miles west of a rust belt city. How soon can you have new power plants approved and built to supply us with electricity?”

(Governor Zeitgeist) – “I’m on it already. My aide will reach out to you later today with the bank account info for my re-election campaign.”


So far so good. No laws are being broken, and the political and corporate classes hold onto power. But suppose those AI monstrosities never get built? Or suppose they are mothballed, and sit empty like shopping malls, after they are built? How much will we pay for that new electric plant construction?

According to the Associated Press link below, the coming onslaught of AI data centers will double or triple the demand for electricity in America in the next few years. And if we don’t supply that juice, the companies will build those data centers in Iceland, Croatia, or Surinam. Cue the Caterpillar D11 bulldozers !!! Or worse yet, we won't have enough American-made robots to fend off the ones coming from China!

But if those data centers aren't needed, then the solar farms, wind farms, or nuclear/coal/natural gas-powered electric plants will be mostly idle. Ordinary users (you and me) will have surcharges on our electric bills to pay for the land, construction, etc. of power plants, even though they aren't operating.

This is a real problem. The Associated Press is talking out of both sides of its mouth. We’re likely to run out of electricity and have our rates double or triple. Or we’re likely to triple the number of power plants and get stuck with a bunch we don’t need.

Should voters have the last word? Would you rather pay triple, or have a brownout? Is it possible to have both at the same time?

The easy answer would be to require each new AI behemoth to have its own dedicated electric power plant. A generator which is also owned and operated by big tech. Are you comfortable with that if it involves nuclear power? How about zoning changes which encircle your picturesque town with wind turbine forests? If people don’t want affordable housing in their neighborhood, are they going to salute the infinite number of towering turbines needed to keep the data centers humming?

It's too soon to say whether AI is going to cure every disease, or put everyone out of work, or end up like Dutch tulips. But only 1 of those outcomes appeals to me.

I’m just sayin’ . . .



Future data centers are driving up forecasts for energy demand. States want proof they'll get built

Chilling moment humanoid Chinese robot ARMY marches for ‘first mass delivery’ of futuristic machines coming for our jobs
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SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@jshm2 upvoted and marked best comment. wish i'd found your link. not even the original reporters were aware of this.

kudos!

exchrist · 36-40
I’d like to see either satellite solar collection in low earth orbit that would occasionally beam electricity to the grid kite turbines harnessing the power of wind from the jet stream or increased tidal and solar energy collection. Renewable combined with efficiency will solve the problem. Instead infinite growth is outpacing ingenuity.
exchrist · 36-40
@SusanInFlorida should be a limit per person corporation or single “entity” more public owned ones to promote competition and reduced cost
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@exchrist who sets the limit? the united nations? US congress? a cabal of smart scientists?
exchrist · 36-40
@SusanInFlorida a wonderful question! I’d think a think tank coalition of states each state individually partnered with universities or some combination. It’s a moving value to be determined based on market conditions and environmental factors usage trends population shifts etc.
plenty of opportunity to create jobs too.
I prefer less federal oversight though perhaps global limits per country depending on population geographic size GDP market share etc.
meJess · F
MIT Released their study last week pointing out that 95% of investment in AI provides no bottom line returns.

AI is used by banks and hedge funds to trade international markets, potentially increasing the cost of basic materials and certainly increasing price movements.

AI uses vast amounts of electricity, raising the cost for all consumers, and increasing carbon emissions.

Oh and the Chinese robot live demoed last week fell over and was unable to get up.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@meJess upvoted. you are correct.

AI is of intense interest to wall street firms and "day traders" who believe it will give them an insurmountable edge.

then they're going to find out that half the world is using AI, and those AI systems were all trained on the same historical market performance, and come to the same conclusion about tomorrows move up or down.

the consensus is only right in the short run. look at 1929, 197X, 2001, 2008, 2020 . . .
Crazywaterspring · 61-69, M
There is an AI bubble, like the dot coms of the early 2000s. Like the internet AI won't be going away.

Politicians are complicit with our looming power and water shortages. Public subsidies for huge, highly successful corporations, like Google or Amazon are quite real.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Crazywaterspring a short list of things which i've been told are "never going away"

1 - the value of a college degree

2 - america's military supremacy

3 - the 3.5 inch floppy disk for external storage

4 - nuclear power to generate electricity

5 - the $5 footlong from subway
Avectoijesuismoi · 36-40
The robots are going to be allowed to vote as well they will make much more informed decisions. You can't tell them rubbish to appeal to their emotional side as they function on logical data that is factual and accurate.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Avectoijesuismoi agreed. i've previously argued in this forum that if we replaced congress with AI, we'd get more sensible budgeting/spending.

of course, special interest groups would go insane, because funding would be cut off for spotted owls, B21 bombers, and the next 3 orbital telescopes trying to see all the way back to the big bang.
Avectoijesuismoi · 36-40
@SusanInFlorida you could put monkeys in there and get better decisions
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Avectoijesuismoi meta's "godfather of AI" was demoted (and is now forming his own startup) because he told the company that Large Language Models will always be "dumber than a cat".

https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/news/meta-chief-ai-scientist-yann-lecun-thinks-llms-are-a-waste-of-time/ar-AA1QA26h?ocid=BingNewsSerp
1490wayb · 56-60, M
most of elon musks fortune comes from robots...NOT CARS
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@1490wayb i'd love to believe this is true. except none of my neighbors have robots. lots of them drive the Tesla model 3 or Y, however.
I guess the question would be what happens if we create too much energy production. Does that mean regular folks will pay less?
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@jackjjackson and in unrelated news, there was a worldwide internet outage yesterday. Cloudflare immediately assured angry users that it was a bug in it's own systems, and NOT another hack attack from criminals or state sponsored military forces.

yesterdays outage reportedly cost $15 billion an hour until it was fixed later in the day.
Does cloudflare deal with fly by night site such as this one? I didn’t have have a problem with “major” legit sites 🤣 @SusanInFlorida
They’re fine with dedicated coal plants. Only they would be affected 🤪 @SusanInFlorida

 
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