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Shame on anyone who still thinks Israel is acting in "self-defense"

Young lives cut short on an unimaginable scale: the 18,457 children on Gaza’s list of war dead

The children’s names in the link below appear on a list of victims of Israel’s offensive in Gaza, maintained by health authorities in the territory.

As of the end of July it ran to 60,199 names, of whom 18,457 were under 18s.

Far from comprehensive, the list does not include the thousands still buried under the rubble of destroyed buildings, as well as the war’s many indirect victims

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2025/oct/08/young-lives-cut-short-on-an-unimaginable-scale-the-18457-children-on-gazas-list-of-war-dead
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ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
And HAMAS still holds hostages. It's a war, a terrible war, and people die and have been dying there since the first Arab attacks in 1947. :'( I don;t know what the answer is.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@wishforthenight They only had the land taken AFTER the Arab attacks. But other Arabs didn't want the Palestinians in THEIR lands either, hence all the refugee camps. Palestine, aka the West Bank -- and a bit of Gaza --, existed well into the 1960s and wasn't lost until the Arabs attacked again.
@ChipmunkErnie I'm talking about the creation of Israel itself. Why do you slavishly defend Israel?
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@wishforthenight Israel exists, it's that simple. Was there a legal reason that justified it's creation? I don't think so. But the Jewish survivors of the Holocaust went to the Holy Land en masse: the Allies had turned them away, the Axis had tried to exterminate them, and they went where their god told them to go. Despite the odds against them they survived and prospered. Do I agree with the current Israeli government, no. Can I understand Israeli fear and paranoia, yes.
WestonT · 18-21, M
It's not. It's acting with the intent of ethnically cleansing and annexing the Gaza Strip. It's never had a good opportunity to do so until now.
1490wayb · 56-60, M
yet they refuse to all efforts of peace negotiations
@1490wayb yes yes, we get it. Israel has done all it can to stop its massacre, right up to now, where they continue to level people's homes while pleading with Hamas to release the hostages (never mind the thousands of Palestinian hostages, they don't count.
Northwest · M
Not to worry, Trump sent his son-in-law, Jared Kushner to restore peace. What could go wrong?
22Michelle · 70-79, T
@Northwest He may not make millions out of it?
Northwest · M
@22Michelle
He may not make millions out of it?

That's preposterous! What would lead you to believe that? Is it the investment seminars he's been leading on how to make billions in a Gaza emptied out of its residents, and turned into luxury resorts and condos?
22Michelle · 70-79, T
@Northwest Could be a clue....
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