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The problem with spreading false narratives in criminal cases

Should Kimmel have been shitcanned? I won’t comment on that. But his comments regarding Kirk’s shooter are irresponsible.

In high profile criminal cases like this, spreading false narrative taints a potential jury and complicates prosecution. A real headache for the legal system.

Probably best to leave the early speculation and conspiracies to the internet trolls rather than bring them to the mainstream.

Trump does this all the time and the left (and many on the right) understand the damage this does. To lament Kimmel getting suspended for spreading misinformation is a bit like the pot and the kettle.
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GuiltyBiStander · 31-35, F
Excuse me.

Specifically what "misinformation" are you referrring to ? And what "false narrative"?

I thought Kimmel was an entertainer & comedian - not a Federal prosecutor, or news source like Fox & New York Times, or a social media executive like Musk & Zucherberg, or a government official like Robert Kennedy Jr. Why should his jokes - funny or not, get punished while others doing much more serious harm get a pass ?

Here's the dangerous, conspiritorial, Kimmel routine that threatened our Way of Life . Draw your own conclusions:

[media=https://youtu.be/-j3YdxNSzTk]

Free speech ... anyone ??
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trollslayer · 46-50, M
@SumKindaMunster for a hint, see Jan 6th, 2021.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@trollslayer No. Hints and huge nebulous issues like January 6th are not things I can effectively discuss and rebutt. You're not being sincere here. I assume you don't really want to discuss this.

Which is fine, but don't pretend you responded relevantly here and I chose not to respond.
People like Charlie Kirk believed the 1st Amendment protected them from consequences for their "ugly speech " as he called it.

What the 1st amendment actually protects against is state retaliation for your speech which is what happened to Kimmel regardless of how you feel about his words.
Richard65 · M
You make some good points about the possibility of a jury being influenced by TV talk, etc, but it's the right who constantly bleat about free speech, so there is a hypocrisy at the centre of this. Trump knows it because in a press conference in the UK today he said Kimmel was fired for bad ratings and being untalented. Trump knows that's not true. But he can see the hypocrisy behind cancelling Kimmel for what he said, so he lies about the reason. Here's Kirk's own words. He wouldn't want Kimmel fired.

ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
Interesting, I can't find a thing online with Kimmel spreading any false rumors. He seems to have been suspended for saying the same thing Tucker Carlson and many others have said: Trump is using Kirk's murder for his political gain.
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@ChipmunkErnie no, the shooter’s.

I’m not saying Kimmel should be fired (I personally think this was very minor compared to other things I have heard), only saying that implying motive is irresponsible as it only feeds conspiracies. Kimmel’s comment about MAGA exploiting Kirk’s death is accurate. But implying that the shooter is “one of their own” may complicate a prosecution that is trying to show this was a political killing, or a defense trying to show this was a murder and not an assassination.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@trollslayer You give Kimmel credit for more power than he has, and the whole reasoning behind it seems silly to me. Kimmel, if he implied that, is only one of hundreds of media types who have said it. We cannot live in an informational vacuum.
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@ChipmunkErnie seems like they (The Trump admin) were looking for an excuse. Again, I disagree with the action ABC took, and strongly disagree with the pressure from the Trump administration here.

I am just remembering the OK trial and how irresponsible speculative comments from public figures made that trial difficult.
Except he has absolutely no obligation to the legal system. And his position is where all the current evidence points. What he has done is no different than comments by public personalities on high profile cases going at least as far back as the OJ Simpson case.

Kash Patel has been engaging in even more egregious false narratives and he is the head of the FBI and the investigation and he actually does have a responsibility to the legal process.
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow you are correct. He can say what he wants. And I am not saying what he said is worse (it is very tame in comparison) and his position carries much less weight than a politician or law enforcement. I’m only saying there are reasons to not wade in the mud and play the game others want you to play
@trollslayer Again. He has no official obligations and that doesn't justify state retaliate. In fact that is literally what the 1st amendment is designed to prevent.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
It's interesting because the Liberal left used to pride itself on being well informed and pushing facts not propaganda.

Not so in the Trump years.

To be fair, this was initiated during the Obama administration when you saw the MSM work hand in hand with Obama to spread misinformation.

You had the Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown cases, the extra judicial assassination of an American in Yemen, the overthrow of 3 Muslim governments, with a fourth(Syria) coming to fruition in the last year or so.

You had the lies about the pallet of cash NOT being a bribe sent to the Republican National Guard.

And finally, it was Obama's own intelligence agencies that invented and spread the Russiagate hoax.

This was overlooked and ignored by people like you.

In the past 10 years we have had multiple propaganda hoaxes perpetuated by the media including:

The Russiagate hoax
The safety and efficacy of the mRNA Covid vaccines.
The source of Covid 19
The true nature of Hunter Biden's latop
Joe Biden's obvious dementia and illness being overlooked and shouted down by the media.

This bill has been long overdue.
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@SumKindaMunster it’s not a matter of opinion. They aren't media hoaxes.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@trollslayer K. I guess you can't articulate it any more than that, huh?
DavidT8899 · 22-25, M
@SumKindaMunster I suspect that he realizes that what he is asserting is simply wrong and won't hold up under serious debate or scrunuty.
Therealsteve · 31-35, M
Well I mean, Tommy Robinson was imprisoned for talking about the details of defendants awaiting trial, details that were already broadcasted by the BBC.
The entire population in Israel USA is using lies instead of history.

 
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