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First of all, there is a fallacy in your logic.Your taxing companies companies really never pay taxes.They just pass the tax on to the customer. If a company makes a billion dollars
And you tax them, ten percent.They will rise the price of goods and services by fifteen to twenty percent.
The biggest question is, why do you want?The government wasting so much money.The government is not going to spend it on the taxpayer or on the citizen.As a matter of fact, they spend it on everybody.But the citizen.
And you have fifty percent of the citizens that pay zero in taxes.A net zero, they pay taxes.But then they get it back at the end of the year or they receive benefits in excess of the amount that they pay in taxes.This means that they have no skin in the game.That means they get to vote to tax.The wealthier because it really doesn't affect them.
First of all, the federal government could literally reduce all taxes 20.For the common citizen, tax international trade through tariffs and sales. Reduce spending on everything except for military.And that could be reduced by quite a bit. An international projects and by international projects that could be almost anything you could easily trim the federal budget from close 26 trillion down to 1.5 this could easily be covered by tariffs and international trade. As well as sales of federal minerals, timber and such.
Have all your welfare programs?Everything turned over to the local states.Then, you're paying the state taxes for your goods and services that you receive from the state or the government.Also putting the government representation closer to the individual, making them more accountable to the citizens.That they represent.
And you tax them, ten percent.They will rise the price of goods and services by fifteen to twenty percent.
The biggest question is, why do you want?The government wasting so much money.The government is not going to spend it on the taxpayer or on the citizen.As a matter of fact, they spend it on everybody.But the citizen.
And you have fifty percent of the citizens that pay zero in taxes.A net zero, they pay taxes.But then they get it back at the end of the year or they receive benefits in excess of the amount that they pay in taxes.This means that they have no skin in the game.That means they get to vote to tax.The wealthier because it really doesn't affect them.
First of all, the federal government could literally reduce all taxes 20.For the common citizen, tax international trade through tariffs and sales. Reduce spending on everything except for military.And that could be reduced by quite a bit. An international projects and by international projects that could be almost anything you could easily trim the federal budget from close 26 trillion down to 1.5 this could easily be covered by tariffs and international trade. As well as sales of federal minerals, timber and such.
Have all your welfare programs?Everything turned over to the local states.Then, you're paying the state taxes for your goods and services that you receive from the state or the government.Also putting the government representation closer to the individual, making them more accountable to the citizens.That they represent.
@dale74 The idea that taxing the rich doesn’t work because companies just raise prices is too simple. Sure, companies might raise prices a little, but they don’t pass on all the cost. Taxes on the wealthy and big corporations help make sure they pay their fair share, which is especially important when the gap between the rich and poor keeps growing. Higher taxes on the wealthy can help balance things out without putting too much pressure on regular people.
And yes, the government could do a better job with spending, but that doesn’t mean we should just cut everything, especially important programs like healthcare, education, and welfare. Instead of cutting back, government should be made more efficient.
As for the claim that people who don’t pay federal income tax have “no skin in the game,” that’s misleading. Lots of lower-income people still pay things like sales taxes and payroll taxes. Plus, they contribute to society in other ways like through work, raising families, and being part of their communities.
The goal should be to make sure the rich pay their fair share and that everyone, no matter how much they earn, has access to basic services. It’s about fairness, not just cutting taxes for the wealthy.
And yes, the government could do a better job with spending, but that doesn’t mean we should just cut everything, especially important programs like healthcare, education, and welfare. Instead of cutting back, government should be made more efficient.
As for the claim that people who don’t pay federal income tax have “no skin in the game,” that’s misleading. Lots of lower-income people still pay things like sales taxes and payroll taxes. Plus, they contribute to society in other ways like through work, raising families, and being part of their communities.
The goal should be to make sure the rich pay their fair share and that everyone, no matter how much they earn, has access to basic services. It’s about fairness, not just cutting taxes for the wealthy.
@dale74 You're deflecting. The issue isn’t about feeling “entitled” to someone else’s money; it’s about fairness. A flat tax sounds fair, but it would actually disproportionately hurt lower-income people. Someone making $30,000 would pay the same percentage as someone making millions, and that’s not fair.
OK you pay 37%, but the real issue is that the wealthiest often pay a much lower percentage through loopholes and tax havens. The goal isn’t to punish the rich, it’s to make sure they pay their fair share based on their ability.
As I've said this isn't about taking from the rich. It's about creating a system where everyone contributes fairly.
OK you pay 37%, but the real issue is that the wealthiest often pay a much lower percentage through loopholes and tax havens. The goal isn’t to punish the rich, it’s to make sure they pay their fair share based on their ability.
As I've said this isn't about taking from the rich. It's about creating a system where everyone contributes fairly.
@dale74 Here we go. The classic "I pay taxes so you can have free stuff" line. How original. It’s almost like you’ve run out of real arguments and resorted to personal jabs instead. But here's the thing: it’s not about “free stuff.” It’s about making sure the system works for everyone, not just those who happen to have the most.
The real issue is that the wealthiest often get away with paying way less than their fair share. But hey, if you'd rather focus on what I personally pay, that’s cool. It’s a typical move when someone knows they’ve lost the actual argument.
The real issue is that the wealthiest often get away with paying way less than their fair share. But hey, if you'd rather focus on what I personally pay, that’s cool. It’s a typical move when someone knows they’ve lost the actual argument.
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@dale74 LOL “I know people who abuse the system!”
Of course it happens, but that’s not the problem with the system, is it. A few bad actors don’t mean we should throw out the whole idea of a social safety net that helps millions of people who truly need it.
The fact that some people take advantage of the system doesn’t change the fact that the rich are still getting away with paying far less than they should, while working-class folks are stuck with the bill. But sure, let’s focus on the exceptions instead of the bigger picture. Typical deflection, as I said.
Of course it happens, but that’s not the problem with the system, is it. A few bad actors don’t mean we should throw out the whole idea of a social safety net that helps millions of people who truly need it.
The fact that some people take advantage of the system doesn’t change the fact that the rich are still getting away with paying far less than they should, while working-class folks are stuck with the bill. But sure, let’s focus on the exceptions instead of the bigger picture. Typical deflection, as I said.
@dale74 Oh, really? The rich pay their fair share? 😂 When you look at effective tax rates, you know as well as I do that the wealthiest pay a far lower percentage of their income than the middle class, thanks to loopholes, tax havens, and fancy deductions. So, no, percentage-wise, they’re not paying their fair share, they’re just good at hiding it.
It's easy to claim they pay their fair share when you ignore the massive wealth they’re accumulating at the expense of everyone else. But sure, let's keep pretending everything's balanced. That’s working out great.
It's easy to claim they pay their fair share when you ignore the massive wealth they’re accumulating at the expense of everyone else. But sure, let's keep pretending everything's balanced. That’s working out great.
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@wildland then, you need to change the tax rate on long term capital gains which is how most of the wealthy get away with a lower tax rate. You're not going to do that till you get corruption out of politics.Both sides of the aisle. Whether you like him or not, trump said it best.When he was debating hillary clinton..
The gist of what he said is I paid what's legally required.I took the deductions that were allowed to me.If you wanted me to pay more taxes, you should have changed it while you were a senator you have that power.But you didn't even propose one legislation to change the tax rates.Why?Because your donors enjoy those same tax breaks...
The gist of what he said is I paid what's legally required.I took the deductions that were allowed to me.If you wanted me to pay more taxes, you should have changed it while you were a senator you have that power.But you didn't even propose one legislation to change the tax rates.Why?Because your donors enjoy those same tax breaks...
@dale74 Ah, so now we’re back to blaming corruption and pointing fingers at politicians.
Yes, capital gains need to be taxed more fairly, but it’s not just about one issue or one person. The whole system needs an overhaul to stop the ultra-wealthy from using loopholes to pay less than middle-class families.
As for Trump’s comment, it’s a nice soundbite, but it misses the point like he always does.
The fact that people like him can legally avoid taxes is exactly the problem. It's not about whether they follow the law; it’s about the laws themselves being written in a way that benefit the rich and leave the rest of us holding the bag.
So yes, maybe both sides are guilty of catering to donors, but that doesn’t mean the system should stay rigged. We need to fix the system, not defend it. And you seem to be defending it.
Yes, capital gains need to be taxed more fairly, but it’s not just about one issue or one person. The whole system needs an overhaul to stop the ultra-wealthy from using loopholes to pay less than middle-class families.
As for Trump’s comment, it’s a nice soundbite, but it misses the point like he always does.
The fact that people like him can legally avoid taxes is exactly the problem. It's not about whether they follow the law; it’s about the laws themselves being written in a way that benefit the rich and leave the rest of us holding the bag.
So yes, maybe both sides are guilty of catering to donors, but that doesn’t mean the system should stay rigged. We need to fix the system, not defend it. And you seem to be defending it.
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@dale74 Still deflecting and now throwing out insults :D
But you're right, politicians should change the system, that’s literally their job. But pretending they don’t have their hands tied by special interests and donors is naive. The reason tax laws stay rigged in favor of the wealthy isn’t because “they haven’t done their job,” it’s because they’re bought off by the very people who benefit from those tax breaks.
So instead of just pointing fingers, we need to change system so that it actually works for everyday people, not just the wealthy and their lobbyists. But I get it LOL it’s easier to blame the politicians and dismiss the actual problems with the system.
That’s the real stupid part.
But you're right, politicians should change the system, that’s literally their job. But pretending they don’t have their hands tied by special interests and donors is naive. The reason tax laws stay rigged in favor of the wealthy isn’t because “they haven’t done their job,” it’s because they’re bought off by the very people who benefit from those tax breaks.
So instead of just pointing fingers, we need to change system so that it actually works for everyday people, not just the wealthy and their lobbyists. But I get it LOL it’s easier to blame the politicians and dismiss the actual problems with the system.
That’s the real stupid part.
@dale74 Yaaaay! The "you’re brainwashed" card. Always a sign that the argument is lost. When you can’t respond with facts, resorting to insults is the go-to move. But if you're done with logic and want to throw in the towel, I’ll take it as a win.🥳
Have a nice day, and good luck with that "everyone's out to get you" mindset. ;)
Have a nice day, and good luck with that "everyone's out to get you" mindset. ;)