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My opinion on Charlie Kirk

I think he didnt deserve to die, but to suffer. He was not a good human being. What he was saying wasn't political opinions, that's called being racist, fascist, and sexist. If what he said about his daughter isn't enough proof that he was a bad person, then I don't know what to tell you.
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trollslayer · 46-50, M
I think he was a man who exploited an extremist ideology for fame and money. Sadly, he is not alone, nor is this just a problem on the right. Conservatives talk about “liberals” who don’t work or contribute - well here is one of their own in that category. No different than David Hogg.

I won’t call him a bad person, as it is not my place to judge. It is ironic that the culture of intolerance that he stoked contributed to his death.

The sad part is that he seemed to have a talent for engaging people and it is a shame that his talent was not put to constructive use.
boudinMan · 61-69, M
@trollslayer lol @ intolerance. the side that killed him are the intolerant ones.
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@boudinMan The shooter was from a MAGA family and a MAGA community..:
boudinMan · 61-69, M
@trollslayer and yet he was a liberal. he's dating a tranny and was very left wing according to his friends.
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@boudinMan exactly my point. His extreme action likely is a reaction to the intolerance of his family and community that was fostered by men like Kirk.
boudinMan · 61-69, M
@trollslayer you libs are truly amazing at projection. you just can't deal with the fact that people on the left incessantly calling conservatives racists, bigots, white supremacists, hitler, fascists, etc. contributes to the actions of one of your own. but every time an act of violence occurs, you rush to blame it on a conservative and point to their inflammatory rhetoric as the cause.
Carla · 61-69, F
@boudinMan the right called it an assassination, perpetrated by "the left". Immediately.

And if you for one moment believe that the horrible things kirk said, the constant demonization(literally, as trump calls the left evil and corrupt) that the right spews constantly, has no bearing on the violence against the left, that you people joke about, is benign, you are delusional.
boudinMan · 61-69, M
@Carla well, if the vitriol from the right is causing certain kinds of violence, then the same must be true of the vitriol coming from the left.

it was called an assassination because that's exactly what it is.
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trollslayer · 46-50, M
@boudinMan because they are bigots..:
wildland · M
@Carla @boudinMan

When something like this happens, Democrats are gracious, empathetic and call for calm on all sides. Republicans mock the victims (unless it's one of their own), blame only one side, and demand more violence.

Also, for Democrats, a single post from a random, anonymous user online will be treated as a statement from “the left”. While for Republicans, the outpourings of the right’s most powerful voices, in politics or the media, and including the president himself, somehow get a free pass.
wildland · M
@trollslayer @boudinMan

As someone else so elegantly put it here.
The media are seemingly interviewing everyone who has clapped eyes on Robinson in the last 20 years. So we're learning that he was a Groyper, a furry, a MAGA, that his roommate (with whom he may or may not have been in a relationship with) was transitioning from male to female, that his family was MAGA but he "rebelled" against them, that he had become very political in recent years, that he wasn't political at all, that he shot Kirk because Kirk was conservative, or because he wasn't conservative enough - whatever narrative you need to support your preferred conclusion, you can find something to back it up.

And this doesn't even touch on the conspiracy theories - Trump ordered it because Kirk was demanding the release of the Epstein files, the Mossad killed him because he was "questioning Israel" in his final weeks, that his own team of bodyguards took him out with a shot from a few feet away, that it was a squib and Kirk faked his own death, and I'm sure others that I haven't seen yet that are even more unhinged.
boudinMan · 61-69, M
@Northwest i think you should watch bill maher. he'll tell you what he thinks of libs like you.
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@boudinMan who?
wildland · M
@boudinMan And I think you should read this:

I want to say a few words regarding the terrible murder of Charlie Kirk. Someone who I strongly disagreed with on almost every issue, but who was clearly a very smart and effective communicator and organizer and someone unafraid to get out into the world and engage the public. My condolences go out to his wife and his family.

A free and democratic society, which is what America is supposed to be about, depends upon the basic premise that people can speak out, organize, and take part in public life without fear, without worrying that they might be killed, injured, or humiliated for expressing their political views.

In fact, that is the essence of what freedom is about and what democracy is about. You have a point of view. That's great. I have a point of view that is different than yours. That's great. Let's argue it out. We make our case to the American people at the local, state, and federal levels. And we hold free elections in which the people decide what they want. That's called freedom and democracy. And as many people as possible should participate in that process without fear.

Freedom and democracy is not about political violence. It is not about assassinating public officials. It is not about trying to intimidate people who speak out on an issue. Political violence in fact is political cowardice. It means that you cannot convince people of the correctness of your ideas and you have to impose them through force.

Every American, no matter what one's political point of view may be, must condemn all forms of political violence and all forms of intimidation. We must welcome and respect dissenting points of view. That's what our Constitution is about. That's what our Bill of Rights is about. That in fact is what freedom is about.

The murder of Charlie Kirk is part of a disturbing rise in political violence that threatens to hollow out public life and make people afraid of participating.

From the January 6 attack on the Capitol, to the attempted assassination of Donald Trump, to the attack on Paul Pelosi, to the attempted kidnapping of Gretchen Whitmer, to the murder of Minnesota's Speaker of the House Melissa Hortman and her husband, to the Austin attack on Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, to the shooting of United Health Executive Brian Thompson, and the shooting several years ago of Representative Steve Scalise. This chilling rise in violence has targeted public officials across the political spectrum.

Sadly, this is not a new phenomenon. We all remember the assassinations of President Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Robert F. Kennedy, John Lennon, Medgar Evans, and the attempted assassinations of President Ronald Reagan and Alabama Governor George Wallace.

This is a difficult and contentious moment in American history. Democracy in our country and throughout the world is under attack and there are a lot of reasons for that which need serious discussion.

But bottom line, if we honestly believe in democracy, if we believe in freedom, all of us must be loud and clear. Political violence, regardless of ideology, is not the answer and must be condemned.
boudinMan · 61-69, M
@trollslayer ignorance is not a virtue.
@wildland To me the strongest point of evidence he was a Groyper is that the Groypers themselves on 4chan have recognized him as one of their own and panicking that this could blowback at Nick Fuentes their leader.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@boudinMan nice try, but no:
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trollslayer · 46-50, M
@BohoBabe maybe. But not uncommon in today’s society. The right claims the left is “race hustling”, and maybe some do - but this is the same thing - exploiting fears to gain power and money.
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boudinMan · 61-69, M
@Northwest he's a lib... with a brain. hard to find these days.