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The Charlie Kirk shooting suspect

While few details are coming from official sources (reportedly, Tyler Robinson is "not cooperating with law enforcement," meaning he's exercising his Fifth Amendment rights), the media is interviewing anyone who so much as saw Robinson at any time from his birth to the present. So we're learning that he was a Groyper, a furry, a MAGA, that his roommate (with whom he may or may not have been in a relationship with) was transitioning from male to female, that his family was MAGA but he "rebelled" against them, that he had become very political in recent years, that he wasn't political at all, that he shot Kirk because Kirk was conservative, or because he wasn't conservative enough - whatever narrative you need to support your preferred conclusion, you can find something to back it up. And this doesn't even touch on the conspiracy theories - Trump ordered it because Kirk was demanding the release of the Epstein files, the Mossad killed him because he was "questioning Israel" in his final weeks, that his own team of bodyguards took him out with a shot from a few feet away, that it was a squib and Kirk faked his own death, and I'm sure others that I haven't seen yet that are even more unhinged.

The reaction from conservative lawmakers and pundits right after Kirk's assassination, that it was "the Democrats" before the shooter was even caught, set the tone. Everyone is desperate to pin the assassination on the other side as "proof" that their side is reasonable and peaceful, while their opponents are violent extremists who must be suppressed. This is nothing more than guilt by association. His "debates" on college campuses notwithstanding, Kirk was a gleeful participant in the demonization of liberals and the Democratic party, and did his part in increasing the polarization in the U.S. If a prominent liberal influencer had been killed instead, I have no doubt that Kirk would have been one of the conservative voices making light of the incident (as he did after the attack on Paul Pelosi) while also saying that the victim had it coming.

It's possible we'll never know the shooter's motivations, and unless somebody hired him to shoot Kirk, it really doesn't matter what they were. From what I can tell, he fits the pattern that so many assassins of prominent figures have - a troubled young white man with no coherent philosophy that can be nailed down, failure to fulfill his potential, and some degree of mental illness. This would describe Lee Harvey Oswald, the would-be Trump assassin, the killers of Presidents Garfield and McKinley, Reagan's shooter John Hinckley, John Lennon's killer, Gabby Giffords' shooter, and many others. People make fun of the response "how are we as a society failing these young men," but it's a reasonable question. There aren't that many purely political assassins; the ones that come to mind are John Wilkes Booth, Sirhan Sirhan, and the Puerto Rican nationalists who attempted to kill Harry Truman. Trump's shooter reportedly considered going after Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi; the only reason he targeted Trump was because Trump happened to be holding a rally near where he lived. Robinson lived close to where Kirk was speaking. Maybe we'll learn that he also considered killing Ben Shapiro or Zohran Mamdani, and only shot Kirk out of convenience. In the end, maybe all he wanted was to be famous and the subject of discussion; if that's the case, he achieved it.
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Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
What if the reason for how they are being failed is because of the practice of left wing ideas?
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
@Jackaloftheazuresand In this case, the shooter grew up in an all-MAGA household.

In general, the lion's share of domestic terrorism in the US is carried out by far-right extremists.

7 of the top 10 states for violent crime in the US are decidedly Red States. That number jumps to 8 out of 10 if looking at homicide alone.

I'll grant you that neither end of the political spectrum can claim to have their hands clean in violent events like these, but to focus on only left wing ideas is disingenuous and politically motivated.
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
@TinyViolins You're not entertaining the hypothetical
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
@Jackaloftheazuresand You're not entertaining any alternative
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
@TinyViolins should I when you come in all hot and ready from the sidelines with accusations?
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
@Jackaloftheazuresand You understand the definition of a leading question? You began with an accusation by framing this as a left-wing issue.

The difference between your reply and mine is that at least I provided some context
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
@TinyViolins Apologize to me and I promise I'll show you why you're wrong
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
@Jackaloftheazuresand Apologize for what, exactly?
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
@TinyViolins You should know for what. You being able to do so on your own is part of the apology
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
@Jackaloftheazuresand Well I don't. So either you keep playing the victim and get nothing, or you can help me understand what I did to hurt you and we can try to move forward.
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
@TinyViolins It's not my loss it's yours, running around all aggressive hurts you far more
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
@Jackaloftheazuresand Right. Well, this conversation's going nowhere. Hope the rest of your day turns out better
JSul3 · 70-79
@Jackaloftheazuresand As a self proclaimed sociopath per your profile, please increase your desire for redemption.
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
@JSul3 heh okay, what's your grievance that you also ignore what's being said?
@Jackaloftheazuresand What left wing ideals? I thought you people wanted kids to grow up in conservative religious homes. Well, that's how Tyler Robinson grew up. Are you saying that merely allowing left wing ideas to be expressed causes otherwise conservative young men to lose their minds?

It's ironic how you people say Kirk was killed for exercising his right to free speech, so your response is to suppress the free speech of people you disagree with. For the record, I would have preferred for Kirk's ideas to be discredited than for him to be killed and turned into a martyr.
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
@LeopoldBloom It's a thought exercise, what would you do if you undoubtedly knew this were the case. Would you think that it wouldn't need to be addressed? I ask because you said it doesn't matter and you presented the question of failing young men as a consideration. Well what if the thing causing young men to be disenchanted is leftist ideas, then what? Does it still not matter?

You are making the same mistake as the other guy. I have not given a position. I'm a bit confused where this animosity for me is coming from with you in particular because the last time we spoke it was on what I'd call okay terms but now things are being attributed to me without me even saying them.
Miram · 31-35, F
@Jackaloftheazuresand

Purity spirals and moral outbidding happens in every group.

Hypothetically speaking it would be best to face its blind spots, recognizing how an obsession with purity, reducing people to “oppressor vs. oppressed,” or silencing uncomfortable voices or any other absolute takes can alienate those the movement claims to liberate. Or alienate those the movement places on a hierarchy of perceived privilege.. we should be recentering on the human being by asking what shame, resentment, or loneliness was fed by which rigid narratives, and redirecting it toward constructive belonging and accountability. Inevitably a healthier politics has to value discussion over dogma, complexity over slogans, growth over purity, paces where calling out injustice never erases self reflection and where ideals of justice and equality are practiced with humility, not weapnized as absolutes.

Maybe then can it guard itself from mutating into the very extremism it opposes.This is easier said than done. Especially because even if a movement affected you to be the way you are, there is a level of personal choices and more importantly an open ideological movement isn't meant to control your leanings even if radical. It can influence you, it can't force a solution and most of it has to spontaneously evolve into a better form. It is not entirely an intentional group or organized work. It can be chaotic.

I know you might not believe either side is redeemable whether hypothetically speaking or already in reality, but I think the chance always exist to address the blind spots. Once you cross a line there is no going back but we can still work on prevention.
Miram · 31-35, F
@Jackaloftheazuresand TLDR: Goodness isn’t commanded, it’s chosen. But still in plenty of ways we can focus on cultivating healthier routes for people to walk, hypothetically or non hypothetically.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@Jackaloftheazuresand
I'm a bit confused where this animosity for me is coming from with you in particular because the last time we spoke it was on what I'd call okay terms but now things are being attributed to me without me even saying them.

Leftist liberals are very frustrated that they cannot control the narrative on this political assassination so they are flailing around and attacking anyone who disagrees because they believe this will get people to accept their narrative.
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
@SumKindaMunster I would prefer not to engage in the same whether that's true or not as I've said there is somewhat of a history here of respectableness
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@Jackaloftheazuresand The 2 people that I can see you are having a discussion with don't typically give the benefit of the doubt, in my experience.

Additionally, the Charlie Kirk assassination was shocking and exposed the divisions that have been nurtured in the last 10 years during the Trump era.
@Jackaloftheazuresand I absolutely agree that our society is failing young men. One symptom is that Gen Z is having a lot less sex than older generations did at the same age. They're terminally online but unable to connect with each other in person. I have no idea how to fix this as I'm not a psychologist or sociologist, but it needs to be addressed.
@SumKindaMunster For once I agree with you, except I blame Trump for exacerbating these divisions. Compare how Bernie Sanders responded to the Kirk shooting with Trump's reaction. All I see from Trump is him doing whatever he can to raise the temperature.

For the record, it's not entirely Trump's fault. Those divisions existed before he arrived on the scene and all he's doing is expressing the views of his fan base. If nothing else, he's very sensitive to what they want and reflecting back what they want to hear. It's a remarkable ability and almost unique in US history. It goes way beyond just being a great communicator like Reagan or Obama, who were both very respectful of the unwritten norms of our democracy. I don't see anyone filling Trump's shoes once he's gone. Neither of his sons nor JD Vance, Ron deSantis, or MTG could pull it off. You know who might have been able to? Charlie Kirk.
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
@LeopoldBloom So you can see that there is importance in that case. Why shouldn't it then extend to who is responsible for individual motivations and initiators then, like why does he have to be hired for that to be the only time it counts if there is a possibility of it being a sole cause? And when I say sole cause I don't mean of all factors in a person's life but in reference to which political aim is the sole cause