@wildland I didn't say she did say that. Gabby is permanently damaged due to gun violence. I thought I might add her to your list .... I didn't think I would have to explain why 🙄
Thanks to Bernie. Some sanity and mutual respect are what we'll need to get through this.
BUT - my gut tells me that there will more violence, personal grief, national shame, and public condolences before this madness stops. And a big reason will be failure to see real causes and effects, or take responsibility in any meaningful way.
Part of it has to do with lack of information, but also empty denials and a phony blame game that plays out in online echo chambers and social media forums just like this one. It's a complete myth that just one side is guilty of all political terrorism, or that one ideology is above violence & murder . Facing facts needs to be part of the healing everyone says they want :
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And remember you're talking to a moderate independent voter. I don't identify with Dems or Republicans, and think that liberal and conservative labels are meaningless in the current environment.
My own approach is to try to suss out how crazy someone is, and avoid wasting my time on the lost causes. After that if some kind of conversation is possible, I don't start by telling someone they're to blame. I try to look at the problem in factual terms, share info that makes sense, and learn whether we agree that the status quo isn't good enough. Then it comes down to finding practical solutions.
None of that is perfect and all of it takes time. Sometimes I'm frankly just not up to it. But I never forget that's what it takes to keep from getting sucked into darkness.
Bernie sanders is the only powerful voice of reason in these insane times. I remember when he had to stop a fist fight from breaking out between two politicians. They were both acting like children and he made them shut up and stop.
I'm trying to figure out why you posted Bernie Sander's sentiments here?
I mean, Bernie always uses this identical rhetoric no matter what he's talking about. If Bernie doesn't agree with something, he says it should be condemned. Very true and in particular the case about Charlie Kirk.
Okay, so we condemn that practice of murdering people we disagree with. Fine. What now? Sort of like world Leaders publicly condemning Putin for attacking Ukraine. What now though? NOTHING! That's what! Nothing happens today or ever for that matter!
Condemning anything or anyone is the verbal equivalent of taking lethal action against someone's opinion who uses a microphone. What now, Tyler Robinson? Did Trump & Company pack up and disband MAGA overnight because `ol Charlie took the fall for someone else's opinion against him?
...ahhh, no! But what now, if Trump's inactions and Bernie's meaningless words mean nothing in the real world at the end of the day?
@wildland If you think that no one wants reconciliation over this, then why are we posting such stuff from Bernie? If it needs saying, then who are you saying it to whom you think is listening and reading that post?
Those who are listening already understand Bernie's words and are not the target audience for his sentiments and therefore, are not the one's who Bernie intended his words to be read by.
Why are you being so irrationally triggered by Bernie? 🧐
The reason why his words are meaningful is because (in case you haven't noticed) we (as a nation) have memory loss and our media groups are too busy spreading vitriol instead of facts.
@DarthInvader And this is being biased towards the Right. Islamic extremism is right-wing, as is all religious extremism. These are people who want a Theocracy, much like the Republicans. The only difference is the religion they use to justify their politics.
I'm also curious what they consider "left-wing extremism" to be because a lot of these studies will consider Black Supremacists to be left-wing. Which makes no sense, any form of racial supremacy is right-wing. Plus groups like the Black Hebrews are very anti-queer.
@wildland I'm glad your glad, we have reached an agreement. I don't think you'll try to condone murder in some veiled way like the rest of your ilk. Enjoy your day.
Having so many guns made it impossible to tell a CIA hit from a normal everyday event. Americans score! Bigly. You understand. We're not fooled. Truth died. Yuppers!;
Bernie's treatment of Charlie is precisely how Charlie treated everyone who disagreed with him. It's called mature respect. Charlie never referred to Bernie as a monster or a Fascist. And Bernie showed the same respect.
