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The voice of reason regarding Charlie Kirk

I want to say a few words regarding the terrible murder of Charlie Kirk. Someone who I strongly disagreed with on almost every issue, but who was clearly a very smart and effective communicator and organizer and someone unafraid to get out into the world and engage the public. My condolences go out to his wife and his family.

A free and democratic society, which is what America is supposed to be about, depends upon the basic premise that people can speak out, organize, and take part in public life without fear, without worrying that they might be killed, injured, or humiliated for expressing their political views.

In fact, that is the essence of what freedom is about and what democracy is about. You have a point of view. That's great. I have a point of view that is different than yours. That's great. Let's argue it out. We make our case to the American people at the local, state, and federal levels. And we hold free elections in which the people decide what they want. That's called freedom and democracy. And as many people as possible should participate in that process without fear.

Freedom and democracy is not about political violence. It is not about assassinating public officials. It is not about trying to intimidate people who speak out on an issue. Political violence in fact is political cowardice. It means that you cannot convince people of the correctness of your ideas and you have to impose them through force.

Every American, no matter what one's political point of view may be, must condemn all forms of political violence and all forms of intimidation. We must welcome and respect dissenting points of view. That's what our Constitution is about. That's what our Bill of Rights is about. That in fact is what freedom is about.

The murder of Charlie Kirk is part of a disturbing rise in political violence that threatens to hollow out public life and make people afraid of participating.

From the January 6 attack on the Capitol, to the attempted assassination of Donald Trump, to the attack on Paul Pelosi, to the attempted kidnapping of Gretchen Whitmer, to the murder of Minnesota's Speaker of the House Melissa Hortman and her husband, to the Austin attack on Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, to the shooting of United Health Executive Brian Thompson, and the shooting several years ago of Representative Steve Scalise. This chilling rise in violence has targeted public officials across the political spectrum.

Sadly, this is not a new phenomenon. We all remember the assassinations of President Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Robert F. Kennedy, John Lennon, Medgar Evans, and the attempted assassinations of President Ronald Reagan and Alabama Governor George Wallace.

This is a difficult and contentious moment in American history. Democracy in our country and throughout the world is under attack and there are a lot of reasons for that which need serious discussion.

But bottom line, if we honestly believe in democracy, if we believe in freedom, all of us must be loud and clear. Political violence, regardless of ideology, is not the answer and must be condemned.

Bernie Sanders.
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GuiltyBiStander · 31-35, F
Thanks to Bernie. Some sanity and mutual respect are what we'll need to get through this.

BUT - my gut tells me that there will more violence, personal grief, national shame, and public condolences before this madness stops. And a big reason will be failure to see real causes and effects, or take responsibility in any meaningful way.

Part of it has to do with lack of information, but also empty denials and a phony blame game that plays out in online echo chambers and social media forums just like this one. It's a complete myth that just one side is guilty of all political terrorism, or that one ideology is above violence & murder . Facing facts needs to be part of the healing everyone says they want :



Find notes on sources & methods for the above data here -

https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/terrorism-immigration-50-years-foreign-born-terrorism-us-soil-1975-2024
swirlie · 31-35
@GuiltyBiStander
You cannot teach sanity and respect to adults who have never practiced sanity and respect at anytime in their lives. If those adults were raised in a right-wing home environment, they will continue to think that insanity and disrespect toward others is a normal way of communicating, which means it becomes integral with the fabric of those right-leaning families, particularly extreme-right evangelicals.

Though your well-written post is received at it's face value, it carries the same energy of wishful values as the piece written by Bernie Sanders and submitted by this thread's OP.
GuiltyBiStander · 31-35, F
@swirlie

Right.

It's reasonable to have doubts, and fair to say that wishes and prayers alone aren't enough.

But no one should deny anyone else's basic humanity, or give up hope that better actions can bring better change.
swirlie · 31-35
@GuiltyBiStander
I fully agree with you. What muddies the waters in America are the 2nd Amendment Rights which most live by as if their literal survival in America depended on it, as if their self-identify required it.

It was 2nd Amendment Rights which gave the shooter of Charlie Kirk the tools he needed to carry out his mission, it was not the fact that the shooter came from a right, center or left-leaning family of influence.
GuiltyBiStander · 31-35, F
@swirlie

True.

Every right comes with responsibilities. We need to bring back common sense and self control as personal values, and public policy.
swirlie · 31-35
@GuiltyBiStander
But I think that's the whole point here... common sense and self-control never did leave us as a society because they've always been here and have routinely been used by people who understand what they are.


Those who never understood what common sense and self-control actually means, are the ones who are now practicing what they've otherwise always known as 'normal behavior' as we watch Jan 6th incidents play out on TV.
GuiltyBiStander · 31-35, F
@swirlie

I don't disagree.

But if the response is to write everyone on "the other side" off, then there's no dialogue or understanding - and no chance that the worst offenders are ever accountable. It's possible that a small hard core of extremist nut cases may never change or be open to reason, but researchers typically put that faction at no more than 20% within partisan groups.

That leaves everyone else.
swirlie · 31-35
@GuiltyBiStander
Fair enough, but how do you convince those on the other side that they are the problem?
GuiltyBiStander · 31-35, F
@swirlie

Not easy.

And remember you're talking to a moderate independent voter. I don't identify with Dems or Republicans, and think that liberal and conservative labels are meaningless in the current environment.

My own approach is to try to suss out how crazy someone is, and avoid wasting my time on the lost causes. After that if some kind of conversation is possible, I don't start by telling someone they're to blame. I try to look at the problem in factual terms, share info that makes sense, and learn whether we agree that the status quo isn't good enough. Then it comes down to finding practical solutions.

None of that is perfect and all of it takes time. Sometimes I'm frankly just not up to it. But I never forget that's what it takes to keep from getting sucked into darkness.
swirlie · 31-35
@GuiltyBiStander
Excellent strategy you employ!