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Democrats threaten government shutdown unless $1 trillion is added to the national debt for their programs. Are they bluffing?




Photo above - today's quiz: when was the last US government shutdown, and what was closed other than the Statue of Liberty? Do shutdowns even accomplish anything?

Full disclosure – I have NOT read the 1,500-page legislation which politicians claim is needed to prevent a government shutdown, because federal government ran out of money again. I doubt if Senator Charles Schumer has read it either. But he’s threatening have democrats vote – en masse – against the funding bill, unless $1 trillion in spending is added to continue programs previously scheduled to expire. See links below.

This bill is longer than Leo Tolstoy’s epic novel "War and Peace" (1,200 pages) which would take more than 2 days of non-stop reading to complete – no bathroom breaks, eating or sleeping. So I don’t think Schumer has read the bill he says that he doesn't like. Probably no republican either. This is clearly going to turn out to be another Nancy Pelosi moment (“You have to pass it to find out what’s in it”)

Without having read the bill myself either, I can still point out the problem here. No matter how much you disagree with either party, legislation like the spending bill is proof that our government is run by the deep state. Congressional aides, corporate lobbyists, and federal agency wonks coming together in back rooms to write laws that no politician ever laid eyes on.

1,500 page bills to turbocharge spending and raise the national debt by trillions is why we have $37 trillion in federal debt in the first place.

To be fair and balanced, let me agree with critics who point out this is exactly the same path Trump's “Big Beautiful Bill” took. That bill was either 870 or 940 pages long; the congressional aides and lobbyists can’t agree and probably didn’t read the whole thing either. This is bipartisanship at its lowest common denominator – I won’t read your bizarre spending proposals if you don’t read mine. Let’s all just go to lunch and get re-elected.

Back to the subject line – is Schumer bluffing or could he actually shut down the government because his pet spending projects aren’t fully funded?

My take is that he COULD shut the government down. Even though democrats are the senate minority party, there are certainly a few republican deficit hawks who would vote against the 1,500 page bill because of transgender monkey research and the $12 million "luxury pickleball arena" (actual 2024 spending). They will point out that $37 trillion is $370,000 in federal debt for each American family. And this is why American's are stuck with unaffordable housing, 800+ military bases globally, and the planet’s most expensive healthcare system. The more we spend on something, the more it costs. Just like cars and smartphones, and houses.

Republican deficit hawks – the ones likely to give Schumer his victory – include familiar names like Rand Paul (KY) Tommy Tuberville (AL) Josh Hawley (MO) and maybe a half dozen others. This a risk-free vote for the balanced budget fanboys, because all the blowback will be on Schumer and the democrats.

But will there actually be any blowback, or even savings from a shutdown? I doubt it. Every GS 5-13 cube dweller who doesn’t come to work is going to get full, back pay anyway. And once the political posturing is done (pandering to single issue voters and special interests) senators will eventually vote on a new 1,500 page compromise bill. One that nobody has read either, but ends up spending about the same as the bill they rejected a week earlier.

I’m just sayin’ . . .



Sen. Chuck Schumer, Rep. Hakeem Jeffries demand healthcare concessions in funding bill

What's in Congress’s 1,500-page government funding deal to avert shutdown
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Well, if you feel that Democrat "pet projects" include restoring or maintaining funding for healthcare and education among others, then yes I think they will shut the government down.

House and Senate, Hakeem and I are in total agreement, what the Republicans are proposing is not good enough for the American people and not good enough to get our votes. The American people are hurting, health care is being decimated on all different fronts, people are going to die, people are losing jobs, people are losing health care,

“On this issue, we’re totally united. The Republicans have to come to meet with us in a true bipartisan negotiation to satisfy the American people’s needs on health care or they won’t get our votes, plain and simple,

“We are together in defense of the health care of the American people,” he said. “We’re together as it relates to the unprecedented attack on the health care of the American people.”

“We will not support a partisan spending agreement that continues to rip away health care from the American people. Period. Full stop.”

Not that, of course, there's any evidence of them demanding $1 trillion to be added to the national debt.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@wishforthenight "you can have anything you want. provided you find a way to pay for it."
badminton · 61-69, MVIP
Obviously we cannot afford tax cuts for corporations and billionaires. They already pay a much lower tax rate than the adverage person. The oligarchs have rigged the tax system in their favor. Much of their income is declared non-taxable.

I say congress should tax billionaires until they aren't billionaires anymore.
Then we use that revenue for domestic improvements; universal non- profit health care, first rate public schools, public transit, high speed rail, affordable housing, etc.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@badminton the tax system is created by politicians we elected. if we don't like taxes and spending, we should elect someone different. I don't want to redirect blame away from our officials to any of the following:

1 - corporations
2 - news broadcasters
3 - black america
4 - jews
5 - chinese exports
6 - fentanyl
7 - public schools
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@GerOttman this is the crux of the problem. the government has created so many entitlements for the middle class that spending cuts are immediately painful. so instead we opt for inflation and huge national debt, which will still be a disaster in the long run.
badminton · 61-69, MVIP
@SusanInFlorida Our pols are guilty of taking bribes in the form of campaign donations. Corporate lobbyists skulk about the halls of congress with bags of money. Corporations decide what legislation will come before congress.

To return our congress to the People we must enact real campaign finance reform laws. And overturn the horrible Citizens v United decision.
exchrist · 36-40
All America has ever needed to do is legalize hemp on the federal level thc is alcohol soluble to produce an oil clsssified as organic petroleum ( often referred to as gasoline) when the alcohol is then evaporated from the resultant solution it’s heavy petroleum (labeled as “fossil fuel”). 300 barrels an acre up to 1938 (the marihuana tax act of 1937 illegalized this) Problem solved.
Regardless a “government shutdown” is an empty threat when was the last time the government was “up and running” efficiently enough to not be running a trillion $dollar$ deficit? Never! Maybe prior to 1938?
Regardless it’s big words from little mostly men in a building getting paid to argue.
Hopefully a “government shutdown” would stop paying legislators’ salaries! That’d pay the debt fairly rapidly.
Definitely more quickly than them bickering endlessly has.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@exchrist then you're a closet republican. the most conservative republicans want the US to withdraw from treaties organizations like NATO, defense treaties with Japan, and possibly even the UN. "Fortress America"
exchrist · 36-40
@SusanInFlorida I only want US to withdraw from active war. Alliances are not active conflicts. indeed strength in numbers. Support the troops bring them home
exchrist · 36-40
@dale74 cannabis(marijuana) rescheduling is a different thing than industrial hemp being legalized. Mostly distraction, “Yay weed!”, but no talk of agricultural oil production from hemp.
dale74 · M
They dont solve a thing all employees and contractors still get paid just free vacation.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@dale74 the list of "essential government workers" is hilarious each time. During Obama's government shutdown he declared his dog walkers, white house calligraphers, and pastry chef to be essential to government functions.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
Who cares? I mean who in power? The greater the social upheaval, the better Miller likes it..😷
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exchrist · 36-40
@SusanInFlorida the legislature has the opportunity to fix this a president signs their attempt into law or not. did congress propose how to address this issue during biden’s presidency? I’d be surprised
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@exchrist my posts consistently criticize both parties for the $37 trillion debt, 800+ military bases, and entitlements run amok whose only purpose is to corral single issue voters.
exchrist · 36-40
@SusanInFlorida and I agree we are stuck in a country with one track mind politicians
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SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Darksideinthenight2 my theory is that economy is already hurt, and bleeding. from the $37 trillion national debt. this is why people can't afford to buy houses, and why a college education each year costs more than the average car.
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Prediction: dems get nothing and gop sticks together. Under the Trump admin all in all things are going well.
The tariff strategy. Produces income in two three ways. We sell move overseas producing more income equaling more tax revenue. The US is by far the world’s best seller’s market. Making them pay a little more for the privilege produces both tariff revenue and tax revenue from the increased GNP. @SusanInFlorida
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
[@jackjjackson

being the best "sellers market" simply means we overspend both on a personal and governmental basis. this is why we have $37 trillion in national debt, and car payments approaching $1,000 a month for people living in apartments.
It means that going forward more income tax revenue will be collected most of which is eaten by the sellers of junk and their middlemen. @SusanInFlorida

 
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