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Not sure what's so difficult about this...

Say you were asked to vote on an issue you feel strongly about, but a vote in support means someone close to you that you love will be killed "for the greater good of all".

Would you still vote yes because the main issue is really that important to you?

Would you find another option that doesn't involve the death of someone, let alone a loved one?

Would you just not vote?

These are the decisions trump voters and conservatives had to make the last election.

They determined the really good things were worth sacraficing the lives and freedoms of others who directly or indirectly affect their lives.

They voted against the right for their wives, daughters, mothers, grandmothers, aunts, and every other women in their family to become second class citizens.

They voted for every immigrant who works to make their lives better to be packed into concentration camps and potential death.

They voted for their own rights to be subjugated to the whims of the 1%, including their jobs, homes, assets, security and the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness.

They voted because the ideas and things promised were so much better than their right to life, liberty and happiness for them and everyone else.

And this is what people who didn't vote for trump can't understand. How in the world were they able to toss other people's lives into the meatgrinder for some promises that were never going to be fulfilled because the 1% is only in it all for themselves?
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specman · 51-55, MVIP
No one knew about somethings and others voted for specific things that were campaigned on. Some voted because they didn’t like the way Democrats done things. It hasn’t been a year yet democrats need to chill and find a sensible way to combat this problem they have or they’ll lose the next time too! I’m not picking on either parties.
FoxyQueen · 51-55, F
@specman honestly, the democrats just seem to want to go back to the way things were before trump, not wanting to admit that the problem started way back farther. While Biden was in office, the majority of them just sat around like happy hens, pleased their world order was back in power and not actually pushing for the things they said they wanted.

I don't want to go back to the status quo. The status quo has so many horrible issues that need to be dealt with, but democrats don't want to admit that they are happy with those horrible issues as long as their guy gives them the warm fuzzies.
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FoxyQueen · 51-55, F
@specman Hate to say this, but Texas was Mexican territory first. Then it was an independent territory on its own. America illegally annexed it, leading to the Mexican American war where Mexico finally ceded it to us. So, we invaded them and then have the audacity to tell them it's not their home and leave. We are in the wrong here.
specman · 51-55, MVIP
@FoxyQueen we had a war over it and we won. I live where we defeated Santa Anna
FoxyQueen · 51-55, F
@specman The war was because we took land that wasn't ours. So what if we won? We took people's homes and land that didn't belong to us, and then kicked them out.

You okay with that? Cuz I'm not.
specman · 51-55, MVIP
@FoxyQueen yes! We won. Winner takes all. The same thing happened to us with the United States
FoxyQueen · 51-55, F
@specman I disagree, since the "illegal immigrants" were the first residents of Texas.

Also, we colonized the US and stole it from the native Americans, kicking them off their traditional lands. The war we had was to remove ourselves from the taxation of England and become our own colonization country. That isn't the same as taking over land and then telling the original residents to leave.
specman · 51-55, MVIP
@FoxyQueen that’s one reason I take land wars seriously. You can end up speaking a different language
FoxyQueen · 51-55, F
@specman oh no! You learn culture and other languages. How horrible to be educates.
specman · 51-55, MVIP
@FoxyQueen again a land war
specman · 51-55, MVIP
@FoxyQueen Mexican and Indian didn’t
specman · 51-55, MVIP
@FoxyQueen it was a totally different time and situation
specman · 51-55, MVIP
Alaska used to belong to Russia and part of California. Should we cede that land too?
FoxyQueen · 51-55, F
@specman I'm sorry you feel you have to defend your point over and over again. I simply am not going to agree with you because land wars are the worst thing we have done to each other beloeving we have a right to possess land that didn't belong to us by taking it by force.

Would you appreciate it if that happened to your property? If someone decides you aren't human and didn't deserve to the right to live there simply because they could force you out by threat of violence and death? Because that is all I'm hearing you say.
specman · 51-55, MVIP
@FoxyQueen they do it nowadays a little differently. You never answered my question about Alaska and a part of California that Russia owned. Should we cede? People had to move then because it no longer belongs to them,
FoxyQueen · 51-55, F
@specman We should definitely be looking at land back principles, particularly from the native americans who were greatly abused by colonization.

I also believe that if states want to leave the union, they should be allowed to. That should fit into your land war ideology as well. Why can't a state just cede from the nation? It's not much different from a land war.
specman · 51-55, MVIP
@FoxyQueen so you are for Russia getting back Alaska and part of California
FoxyQueen · 51-55, F
@specman I am for land back to people displaced due to these needless land wars.
specman · 51-55, MVIP
@FoxyQueen what about people displaced for economic gain?
FoxyQueen · 51-55, F
@specman Yes.
specman · 51-55, MVIP
@FoxyQueen so you believe we should cede the land back to Russia
FoxyQueen · 51-55, F
@specman How do you get giving land back to Russia out of "giving the land back to the people who were displaced by land wars"?

One is a country. The other are people. These are not the same things.
specman · 51-55, MVIP
@FoxyQueen yes they are still displaced people. Just like you said earlier give Texas back to Mexico and the USA to Indians which were not indigenous to the land Neanderthals were
FoxyQueen · 51-55, F
@specman Yes. They were displaced because another country violently took over their homes. So yes. The US government needs to return equitable property to them for stealing it and forcing them to leave. They could have been made citizens, but instead they were rounded up and moved. We have done that to every inhabitant of the US when it became the US. That isn't giving it back to the country, that is giving it back to the original people.

There were no Neanderthals in the Americas and never have been.

We had zero right to claim land that was not free to be claimed. We instigated a war over intitlement to land. We were 100% in the wrong. Just like we were with Hawaii and several other states in the nation. We need to make reparations to the people whom we have unjustly uprooted from their ancestrial lands.
specman · 51-55, MVIP
@FoxyQueen it was done legally according to the times no one deserves reparations.

neandrethals crossed the land bridge. read your history

all was legal according to the times it took place