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Farm windmills have worked well for centuries causing no damage and costing little. Why do we need huge expensive environmental damaging farms?



Haven’t windmills like in the pic above been used for hundreds of years to run well pumps? Those don’t cost millions to creat and millions to correct the damage the new ones cost after their short productive lives and cause no environmental harm?

Why not create individual choices? If I a windmill to help with my energy needs I construct one of the types that have worked successfully for hundreds of years on my own property?
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trollslayer · 46-50, M
I am guessing your point is that newer technologies sometimes only solve problems at the expense of those they create. Is this right?

Right now we have folks using chat gpt energy to tell them how to date. Seriously. And my car gps has told me to drive down railroad tracks. And - we might not need huge wind turbine farms if people would shut their lights off when they went to bed.

For years I drove around in a car from the 1960s that got 20mpg. And now I drive a much newer car that gets 20mpg. The difference? The old car was a 3speed with a 42Amp alternator and no weird-ass lighting effects or automations, and not quite as speedy.

You can live off the grid with some lifestyle adjustments and a little common life sense and basic understanding of physics. I have friends that do it.
First off energy production and farming don't really have anything in common.

In fact farming is the most energy wasting industry so I am all for more environmentally friendly options in agriculture.

As for your example are you really comparing this antique to a modern turbine?

About the only thing they have in common is moving parts triggered by wind.

As for why we can't even use them it is a matter of scale and energy generated.


It is the same reason why you can't replace your car battery with AAA disposable alkalines.

Even for farming use you are taking an example from when nearly half the US population were farmers and manual labor on that scale was required to make it work.

Now farming is 1% of the population and the most energy intensive industry.

It just doesn't compare.
@jackjjackson I am going out on a limb and guessing you don't know any engineers. There is a reason most hate retrofits...aka high dollar jury rigs, and it is never easy.
oldguy73 · 70-79, M
@jackjjackson you said farms OKAY, never work
A minimal expense for huge savings. Your situation are different mine is ideal for this. @PicturesOfABetterTomorrow @oldguy73
swirlie · 31-35
We had one of those old windmills when I was growing up on the farm, jack!

Keep in mind that our tobacco farm in Ontario was very modern with all the latest planting and harvesting gadgets imaginable. We even had a couple of tractors that would drive themselves in our fields using first-generation GPS navigation! Yet there in the background of all this stuff was that old windmill near the house that my father refused to dismantle, because it still worked!

I was assigned a few jobs on our farm as were my two sisters, one of which was to make myself useful by driving the smallest tractor in the fleet which pulled a farm wagon full of tobacco leaves in from the field, or pulled a wagon load of cute migrant farm workers from Kingston Jamaica out to their job site, 40 acres away!

The second job that I was assigned to make myself even more useful was being the official windmill mechanic in our family! No, it's not as glorious and romantic as it sounds being a windmill mechanic and the pay sucks big time, but it makes a good ice breaker story at a slow pool party among strangers who don't typically socialize very much!

Using a fan belt and pulley mounted on my Dad's workbench which turned a grinder from an electric motor, he used that arrangement to teach me how to put the belt back on the pulley that sits at the top of the windmill which is otherwise turned by those small metal fan blades using wind power. Those blades were originally made of hardwood, but he converted them to aluminum.

After having been adequately trained and then passing his windmill mechanic's test with flying colors, he would routinely send me up the self-contained metal ladder of that windmill to reinstall the fan belt that would occasionally flip itself off the pulley at the top if the blades got spinning too fast! What he used the windmill for was an alternate water source to pump water to the house in case the main power supply failed, or the standby generator ran out of fuel.

The entire house could be supplied with water from that windmill pump at about 10 psi at the kitchen tap or bathroom sinks and toilets and it was even used to fill our backyard swimming pool each springtime... for free, but which took about a week to accomplish!

I had been a junior gymnast for several years when I was younger and all through high school as well, so for my Dad to see me climb that windmill like a circus monkey in my bare feet and cut-off denim shorts with a green John Deere baseball hat turned fashionably backwards on my head with my short platinum blonde hair sticking straight out at the sides, was I think purely for his own entertainment value.

When one of his farmer-friends would stop by on their old tractor when I'd be swimming at the pool, he'd ask me to show his friend how fast I could climb that ladder and without batting an eye, I climb out of the pool and go hand-over-hand up that windmill ladder soaking wet without using my feet all the way to the top! It was a game we'd play because I'd often come back down the ladder upside down, one step at a time, just because I could!

Twice a year he would send me up there with a grease gun and clean rag, just to give it's only two grease fittings a bit of summer lube which seemed to prolong it's overall longevity!

He'd hand me his grease gun and say "run up there and give that windmill a couple of squirts, will ya Jen..", then up I'd go as he stood there ready to catch me... or catch the grease gun, whichever fell into his hands first!

What you propose in your post about using an old windmill for generating electricity would actually work, only because as an adult now working in nautical marine tech research I can tell you, that it would be easier than you think... and a lot less expensive too! ...a lot less expensive than using solar powered water pumps to achieve the same objective as a wind-powered water pump on a farm.

Instead of turning a water pump, that fan belt attached to the fan blade pulley would now turn an automotive generator off a car.

Truth is, cars don't use generators anymore, they use alternators. Alternators are not designed to charge-up a dead battery on a car, which is why they should never be used to charge-up a dead car battery that had been boosted by another battery to get the engine started.

The battery must be charged by a portable battery charger to a full charge, then the car's alternator will maintain that charge thereafter. An alternator is not a generator!

Rather than using an modern alternator, go to an automotive alternator repair shop in town and buy yourself an old generator from a farm tractor or piece of construction equipment.

Tractors don't use alternators, they use generators and the old ones are the most reliable. Might cost you $200. Farm equipment dealers always have generators lying around that came off old or obsolete farm tractors which are always for sale for a low, low price!

How do I know these things? That's the kind of stuff I started out researching for my Dad on the farm before I got focused in nautical marine research!

Mount the tractor generator where the water pump use to be located at the base of the windmill, then run suitable wiring from the generator to an AC storage battery. Suggest you use the Tesla Power Wall battery which will power your whole house when fully charged for a few days without re-charging.

If the wind is blowing, connect the fan, the fan belt and the generator together and your power wall battery will become constantly charged as long as the wind is blowing!

Because this I've described is so rudimentary, you'll have to manually loosen-off the fan belt by using a spring-loaded idler pulley when the battery becomes fully charged to prevent over-charging/over-heating of the storage battery by the generator.

A Tesla Power Wall will cost you about $15k for a single unit and I've seen applications on ocean yachts where 3 batteries were aligned side by side, costing $45k.

The Tesla Power Wall batteries are about 6 feet high, 3 feet wide and 4 inches thick ..and literally hang on the wall like framed pictures hanging side by side! You could be up and running for under $16,000 using one battery and one generator.

The difference between a farm windmill and a modern wind turbine, is two things... one's called a "constant speed unit" and the other is a "feathering mechanism", both of which are very expensive and very high maintenance (just like me)... but they are fully automatic and require no direct human interaction for them to work. They can power the equivalent of 250 homes from one wind turbine alone, which will cost about $500k per turbine unit installed.

Wind turbines in comparison, can be noisy and can cause mental health issues because of their constant drone at one low frequency which can be heard for miles and they have a max life expectancy of 20 years before someone has to climb up there to replace the generator motor which requires a giant crane and LOTS of manpower ...or a long ladder and just one girl-power!









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I was using the climbing as a pretext for a meet and greet leading to dating marriage no more grandchildren 🤣 @swirlie
swirlie · 31-35
@jackjjackson
😁... OH, Well... in that case, this potentially changes everything!

A meet and greet ...leading to dating (which I'm actually very good at) ...leading to marriage (which actually has remained a foreign concept to me), may turn out to be a really good idea after all, jack!

That very thing sort of happened to me just two weeks ago ..after an informal, albeit impromptu 'meet and greet' happened at a local farmers market while visiting family in my old home town for that weekend!

This led as you say, to a bit of long-weekend "dating" just this past weekend at a lake cottage with a boat dock belonging to the fellow who helped me to pick up my apples from the parking lot after the bottom fell out of the paper bag I was using to carry them home in from the farmers market!

Does your son own a cottage, boat, car, bicycle, bus pass ..or any of those other things a woman needs to make her life complete? 😯
House car has a good job. @swirlie
4meAndyou · F
My grandfather had one to run the well pump on his farm. I don't know when it stopped working, but by the time I was a teenager he had a gas powered generator to run the well pump.
trollslayer · 46-50, M
Most ranchers have replaced those kinds of windmills with solar pumps, fyi. Much more reliable, and much more efficient.
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@jackjjackson i have met many who do. And that was partially my intent.
Much appreciated! Those old fashioned windmills are quaint. Perhaps a small barn would be nice too. @trollslayer
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@jackjjackson https://aermotorwindmill.com/

They are still made.
Because farmers are conservatives and capitalism is their system.
Socialism isn't for Americans or the EU.
Huh? Why does that have to do with the price of rice on this thread? @Roundandroundwego
@jackjjackson of course. Nothing has causes, nothing to solve, no and absolutely not to social farming or energy. That's not even grammatical, for you.
I’m not looking to sell anything. I’m looking to free myself of those monopolists ripping me off for electricity. @Roundandroundwego
oldguy73 · 70-79, M
are you like sick?? years ago na windmill, okay, what is a farmer or rancher with 1,000 or more acres going to do with wind mills, like grow up, why even say something as redundant as that? this is 2025, not 1578, got it wowwwwwwwwwww
Or does he use whale oil lamps and hire someone to light the matches to light the lamps? @swirlie
oldguy73 · 70-79, M
@swirlie no s===t
Looks like you misspelled that 🤣 @oldguy73

 
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