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Commander-in-Thief Trump Keeps Stealing My Ideas!!! Now He Wants to Eliminate Capital Gains Taxes on One's Primary Residence.

First the no tax on tips idea and now this.

This would help with home sales since reluctant homeowners who might want to sell, especially seniors, would otherwise be hit with huge capital gains taxes if they've lived in their homes for decades.

If Canada can do this, why can't we, eh?
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samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
In the US you are entitled to a one time big deduction when selling your primary residence. I don't remember the full concept, but if you live in the house furba long time, you get the benefit now. You also do not have tax if you sell and buy an equal value or higher. What is being suggested again benefits those who sell and churn residences, aka real estate traders, like who do you think would benefit? Once again they are gaslighting the public.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@beckyromero I am not sure many people sell for greater than the limit
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@samueltyler2
I am not sure many people sell for greater than the limit

Many older homeowners try to not sell precisely because of that limit.

For middle-income families, this creates a lose-lose situation: Either sell now and hand over a huge slice of your hard-earned profit, or hold the asset just to avoid a tax that many assumed they’d never owe in the first place. In the meantime, younger buyers lose out on homes that could otherwise hit the market, feeding an affordability crunch for everyone.

Penalized if you stay, penalized if you sell

For longtime homeowners sitting on decades of appreciation, the prospect of selling and triggering a five- or six-figure tax bill often seems untenable. Some, as Liddiard explains, simply give up on using their whole house.

"We hear reports from some of our members saying some of these folks have moved to the main floor of their home, and they never go upstairs, never go downstairs, because they're too feeble to do so,” he says. “But they either can't afford to pay the capital gains tax, or they refuse to, because they know that when they die, the home can get a step up in basis [and] nobody has to pay the taxes."


https://www.realtor.com/advice/finance/home-equity-tax-capital-gains/
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@beckyromero I give up. If you think Trump has given a present to lower on one folks, have it your way.
RedBaron · M
There’s already a $250k residency exemption per taxpayer, ie $500k for a married couple, plus the IRS has no purchase date or cost basis information, so many people don’t pay any capital gains tax on selling their homes anyway.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@RedBaron
1. The residency requirement for the exemption is TWO YEARS, so it certainly benefits seniors who are longtime residents.

2. The IRS has no information about date or price of purchase, so a savvy accountant can make sure that the taxpayers get the benefit of that doubt and pay little or no capital gains tax.

Now I’m sure you’re capable of understanding that. The whole issue can easily be rendered a nothing burger.

You're just being obstinate now.

Many long time homeowners would have a gain that would EXCEED their capital gains exclusion!

As far as sales price:


https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1755-Sunset-Ln_Bannockburn_IL_60015_M89552-36307?from=srp-list-card

This house is currently on the market for $3,429,000

It last sold on March 2, 1993 for $945,000

If it sells for the asking price, it would be a gain of $2,484,000

If it's owned by a couple, that's a capital gain of $2,484,000 - $500,000 ... or $1,984,000.

Say they are a married couple filing jointly and earning $94,050+ a year or only one of them works and earns $63,000+

Under those scenarios, their capital gains tax rate would be 20% - or $396,800.

Now, that might be reduced somewhat if they made some additions or major renovations since 1993. Otherwise, that's the check that Uncle Sam will collect.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@RedBaron
Boy are you naive about how tax authorities operate.

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8949.pdf
RedBaron · M
@beckyromero So how exactly does, say, $2 million net of taxes suck?

This is definitely a first world problem.
DealingWithTrouble · 41-45, M
For the US, you'd be looking at about $100 billion in free money being given to the richest homeowners, and driving housing prices up when they're already unaffordable in an overheated market.

Yeah, that sounds like something Trump would love.
DealingWithTrouble · 41-45, M
@beckyromero


Perhaps of you really believe that, you should move here. 😜

I'm not a senior - neither are you. But don't over-romanticize Canada either, our social safety net has problems as well.

Most 65+ seniors pay $185/mo for Part B of Medicare (and that generally covers only 80% cost of outpatient care, doctor visits, preventive services, and some prescription drugs)

Doctor visits in Canada are free, but a lot of those others you mentioned aren't covered at all, or only partially covered. And paying $185 a month when you're getting over $500/month more in benefits on average isn't the worst thing. It's very hard for you to make a direct comparison with all the different programs.


By the way, I have for quite some time advocated raising taxes on the higher brackets.That's how I'd easily pay for it (and raise the defense budget to $1 trillion / year to boot).

I'd also eliminate the cap on taxing earned income for Social Security to help boost the Social Security Trust Fund.

Okay, those are perfectly fine to do, why throw in a massively regressive policy that's just a massive giveaway to the rich on top of that? (And the US defense budget is already insane but that's really not part of the original conversation anyways)

The people who'd benefit from removing capital gains on housing are the people who need more money the least - housing speculators, flippers, realtors, and almost no "poor seniors" that you're claiming you want to help.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@DealingWithTrouble
a massive giveaway to the rich on top of that?

I guess that depend on your definition of "rich."

Apparently, you want to lump all homeowners who would benefit from this as rich.

There are others who define rich as anyone wealthier than themselves.

People in certain parts of the world might categorize a homeless woman on the streets of New York as rich.

Wealth, like beauty, is often in the eye of the beholder.

The people who'd benefit from removing capital gains on housing are the people who need more money the least - housing speculators, flippers, realtors, and almost no "poor seniors" that you're claiming you want to help.

Speculators and flippers are already getting the CURRENT benefit because few properties ever reach the $250,000/$500,000 exemption.

The people who are NOT getting the benefit are seniors who have lived in the same home for decades.

But I am repeating myself and obviously not getting through because you think anyone who would benefit is "rich."

So it's pointless to continue this discussion.
DealingWithTrouble · 41-45, M
@beckyromero
Apparently, you want to lump all homeowners who would benefit from this as rich.

No, I'm just pointing out the fact that senior homeowners are going to be richer than seniors who don't own a home and the more someone benefits from the suggested change, the more likely they're rich by any other measure you want to use.

It's about correlation and effeciency. If you care about helping poor seniors, give money to poor seniors - don't set up weird tax exemptions that give some poor seniors a little money, and then a LOT of money to rich speculators.

People in certain parts of the world might categorize a homeless woman on the streets of New York as rich.

That's a bit laughable as an example.

Speculators and flippers are already getting the CURRENT benefit because few properties ever reach the $250,000/$500,000 exemption.


The people who are NOT getting the benefit are seniors who have lived in the same home for decades.

So get rid of the exemption instead and improve social security benefits and medicare benefits - those are the things you claim to actually care about, and you can pay for it easily if you target the changes directly that way and don't waste tens of billions of dollars on people who don't need it.
You should be on his staff with all your great ideas.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@Sojournersoul

He's already got a Trump building in Chicago.

@beckyromero I love Chicago but had to move.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@Sojournersoul

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Bill1372 · 51-55, M
I’m sure Trump eagerly awaits your next post on SW to steal your ideas… 😂

Interesting you are both on the same page. Careful Becky, you’re starting to sound like a conservative
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@Bill1372

I've held this position for quite a while.

Same with no taxes on tip.

And raising the minimum wage.

And raising the top tax rate.

And raising the coporate tax rate.

And, if I could, create a uber-high tax rate just for you for being annoying.
Bill1372 · 51-55, M
@beckyromero thank you 😊

 
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