What's your opinion on this issue?

So for those informed about the situation between Palestine and Israel, I'm sure you know the situation is pretty tense. So basically what happens was Israel placed Palestinians in internment camps kinda like how the Japanese were in America during WW2 (I'm not sure if they're being treated worse though). So basically the UN set restrictions on this (I'm not sure the correct term) and this was the first time the US didn't side with Israel they did not vote on it in the Security Council. What are your thoughts?

My personal opinion is while I don't agree with Israel doing this because I believe people should be able to be left alone if they haven't done anything. I don't believe it's the UN's place to step in. Now I am biased as I don't believe in the UN and I am very much against a world police and Globalism and feel if Israel should be able to do what they want and if a certain country wants to call them out they should not the UN. But what do I know in just a 16 year old idiot. Also I'm not here to debate my opinion I just want to here differing ones.

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Burnley123 · 41-45, M

Now I am biased as I don't believe in the UN and I am very much against a world police and Globalism and feel if Israel should be able to do what they want and if a certain country wants to call them out they should not the UN.

It is an interesting point but there are two issues I want to raise on that:

1) The USA is a world policeman anyway. This is especially true of the Israel/Palestine situation where America gives the country huge overseas aid and sells it weapons. Obama's apparent move against Israel was minor, symbolic and only re-iterated existing international agreements.

2) I don't like the idea of a world policeman but then the UN is really more of an agreement body. Countries try and get together to establish mutual understandings that benefit everyone. This consensus idea is a good thing in theory and when countries go against the UN, it is usually for the wrong reasons; the Iraq War being a prime example.

ironsides · 22-25, M

I do understand America is a world policeman and I'd say we were since Teddy Roosevelt if not before but I do believe we should be more isolationist and could you tell me what the UN said regarding the Iraq war? And the reason I don't support the UN is because 1. And albeit this might just be fear mongering but I don't like hot the UN is essentially a bully where if you go against it then you'll have multiple nations and possibly peacekeepers attacking you. I do recognize the benefits too though that it in a sense keeps the world less tense and tries to help nations communicate better

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@Phantasmagoria: The Iraq War happened without a UN resultion which is technically needed to provide a mandate for War. Bush Blair new they wouldn't get one so they ignored it.

The UN isn't really a bully as such. It is flawed and gives disproportionate voting rights to certain countries but it also does some good things, including successful aid and peacekeeping missions. I think its imperative that countries co-operate but I fear under Trump this will go out the window.

I do have existing opinions on Israel Palestine. Both sides are at fault but Israel has all the power and has done for some time. The only chance for peace and a genuine two-state solution is if Israel is forced to comply with international agreements. For the UN to tell Israel not to build new settlements on Palestinian land is not the work of a bully but the work of a protector. Albeit a protector with few teeth. Netanyahu will ignore it and only the US Government has the power to solve the problem. It could do so by reducing aid or not selling them weapons.

ironsides · 22-25, M

@Burnley123: I feel like how Henry Cabot Lodge felt with the League of Nations. He felt A league could work but not THE league proposed by Woodrow Wilson. I think A United Nations could work but not our current one I do think it needs to be scaled back and be more of a guideline and less of a rulebook

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@Phantasmagoria: All that will mean is less co-operation and more war, unfortunately.

ironsides · 22-25, M

@Burnley123: I do agree with the UN as a relief organization but less as a military force. I just don't see how the UN has stopped war from happening

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@Phantasmagoria: Its hard to say for sure but there is an element of soft power. In addition the UN was directly involved in bringing peace to the former Yugoslavia. I see the UN as disappointing more because of its lack of power. If powerful countries took UN agreements seriously then it would indeed stop a lot of wars. IMO it needs more teeth not less.

ironsides · 22-25, M

@Burnley123: I guess it's hard to tell which would be better as we can't have both

GunSmoke9 · 56-60, M

@Burnley123: The only chance of peace is when the Palestinians denounce, and kick out Hamas. You'll have peace when children aren't taught to hate the Jews. Israel gave up land, released prisoners, didn't the killings stop?

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@GunSmoke9: There is no excuse for Israel building new settlements on Palestinian land. If they complied with international law and terrorism still happened then there would be justification for their actions but there isn't.

GunSmoke9 · 56-60, M

@Burnley123: You don't get it, this isn't about land, settlements, but the elimination of Israel. Get rid of Hamas, stop preaching hate against Israel only then will you have peace.Israel has made attempts for peace, have the Palestinians?

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@GunSmoke9: Israel actually is getting rid of Palestine and that is what the settlements are about. They are a people under military occupation.

I don't like Hamas either but they have little more chance of abolishing Israel than a fly has of abolishing a lion. This is the mother of all one sided conflicts and the dominant force needs to be reined in.

GunSmoke9 · 56-60, M

@Burnley123: What is the purpose of Hamas towards Israel?