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What's your opinion on this issue?

So for those informed about the situation between Palestine and Israel, I'm sure you know the situation is pretty tense. So basically what happens was Israel placed Palestinians in internment camps kinda like how the Japanese were in America during WW2 (I'm not sure if they're being treated worse though). So basically the UN set restrictions on this (I'm not sure the correct term) and this was the first time the US didn't side with Israel they did not vote on it in the Security Council. What are your thoughts?

My personal opinion is while I don't agree with Israel doing this because I believe people should be able to be left alone if they haven't done anything. I don't believe it's the UN's place to step in. Now I am biased as I don't believe in the UN and I am very much against a world police and Globalism and feel if Israel should be able to do what they want and if a certain country wants to call them out they should not the UN. But what do I know in just a 16 year old idiot. Also I'm not here to debate my opinion I just want to here differing ones.

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Sicarium · 46-50, M

That's a pretty warped narrative. I'd suggest revisiting the topic with sources that are more history and less propaganda.

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ironsides · 22-25, M

Well I was told it by my left-leaning AP history teacher so I assumed it'd be sorta skewed but I'll admit I'm not well versed in it I just thought it'd be a good thing to talk about and thought hopefully someone would point out the potential kinks in what I was told so thank you for doing that. Could you provide me some links for good articles on it?

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@Phantasmagoria: From that guy, I predict links to Breitbart coming right up. 😂

ironsides · 22-25, M

@Burnley123: I feel like the legitimacy of Breitbart is article to article and I do agree with people like say Milo Yiannopolous and Ben Shapiro (not entirely though) but with an issue this big I would like unbiased neutral story

Sicarium · 46-50, M

@Phantasmagoria: It's not sort of skewed. It's propaganda, taking a tiny shred of truth and twisting it to create a false narrative. Your teacher should be ashamed, but she won't be.

There were five or six permanent and around a dozen temporary POW camps in Israel that held prisoners from the ongoing conflicts in the late 40s. They were POW camps, not internment camps. All of the camps were watched by both the UN and the Red Cross, as well as Israeli officials, with each constantly reporting on the activity they recorded.

60 years after the fact, a handful of of former prisoners came forward to claim they were tortured. Their claims have never been substantiated and, in some cases, completely contradict independent records. Pro-Palestinian groups took those testimonies and spun them into a near-genocide attempt, which the political left in the West latched onto because it suited their agenda.

Take what I've said, compare it to what your teacher said, Google both, and decide for yourself.

Sicarium · 46-50, M

@Burnley123: If you have something intelligent to add, feel free.

ironsides · 22-25, M

@Sicarium: so basically some claims that are not based on evidence by POWs were made an issue by leftists in the West? And not that it makes a difference but my teacher is a man

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@Phantasmagoria: There isn't really such a thing as an unbiased neutral story in politics. Its all about perspective and justifying your viewpoint using reason and evidence.

My politics are libertarian left, Sicarium's are the opposite.

Sicarium · 46-50, M

@Phantasmagoria: In a nutshell: There were POW camps. There were not internment camps. The UN and Red Cross watched the camps. Palestinians weren't being murdered in the camps. Some have claimed they were tortured but there isn't any evidence to corroborate their claim and there is evidence to counter their claims.

This is something you're going to need research yourself, not just rely on a biased teacher or links from some random guy on the internet. If you really want the truth, there are no shortcuts.

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@Sicarium:

60 years after the fact, a handful of of former prisoners came forward to claim they were tortured.

I'm not sure what this has to do with the UN resolution or the Israeli Government building settlements in East Jerusalem. I'm not sure whether your post is true either but lets stick to the point.

ironsides · 22-25, M

@Sicarium: I understand that I just was curious where you got your information and judge where your biases lie based on the articles you provided

Sicarium · 46-50, M

@Burnley123: What are you talking about? Who brought up settlements? Seriously, are you reading made up comments again?

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@Phantasmagoria:

judge where your biases lie based on the articles you provided

Fair point. Bias doesn't mean something is necessarily wrong but it is a reason for caution.

Sicarium · 46-50, M

@Phantasmagoria: It's not from any one article. Not everything can be boiled down to a single tweet or single source or two minutes of your time.

ironsides · 22-25, M

@Sicarium: well that's why there can be multiple links. But just as a kind of rule of thumb you should take evidence based on tweets with caution. It's basically like talking information from a YouTube comment which can be true or it could not

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@Sicarium: LOL. His post does mention the UN and its disagreement with the American right. TBF it did mention internment camps too and that is something I need to learn more about. I know he has asked for a link, could you provide one Sicarium?

Sicarium · 46-50, M

@Burnley123: I didn't mention settlements. This has nothing to do with settlements. You are pulling a red herring out of your ass. Just like you did with the Breitbart comment. Because you have nothing intelligent to add.

You pull this nonsense far too often. You reply to some made up comment and try to derail the conversation. I don't know of it's an intentional tactic or you're just an idiot. But I'm not playing along.

Sicarium · 46-50, M

@Phantasmagoria: You missed the point. You need to do your own research if you really want to understand the issue.

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@Sicarium: I asked you for a link and that is reasonable in debate. Sorry I debunked the last links you sent me in that other debate we had but unfortunately they were complete BS. Where does your information come from; Breitbart, another source, or your ass?

Prevaricate and whinge all you like. Or send me a link. I actually want to know more about this.

Sicarium · 46-50, M

@Burnley123: What part of "I'm not playing along" did you not understand? I don't care about your distractions or your lies or even what you want to believe. You have an MO, and we both know you're not honest.

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@Sicarium: I am honest and I honestly disagree with you. I also honestly think that you don't know what you are talking about which is why you won't post a link. Oh well.

Goodnight.

Sicarium · 46-50, M

@Burnley123: I don't care. If you actually knew anything about the topic, at all, you wouldn't have had to use all the distractions and bring up your personal beef with me to derail the conversation. That's how tiny you are.

ironsides · 22-25, M

@Sicarium: as someone who leans right and essentially just a bystander to this debate, I would like to point out that you did avoid his arguments with your last post and I'm not trying to be negative to you I'm just trying to give constructive criticism and say that that does not look to well to the average bystander and looks like a bad debate strategy whether intentional or not

Sicarium · 46-50, M

@Phantasmagoria: Burnley123 has his MO. He distracts. He brings up entirely irrelevant points, puts words in your mouth, misrepresents your replies, and demands links he will not look into to interupt and derail conversations he knows nothing about. If you can't recognize his distractions, well, I can't help you.

ironsides · 22-25, M

@Sicarium: no if you look far back enough I was the one that brought up the links as I'm a firm believer of solid facts and statistics he was just pointing out you never did that he wasn't asking for them I was

Sicarium · 46-50, M

@Phantasmagoria: He did ask for them, and I told him no because it would be a waste of time. And that doesn't include the Breitbart, settlements, and his personal beef with me red herrings.

As for your links, if I could link you to the exact pages of the four books I've read on the topic I would. But I can't. Remember when I said not everything can be reduced to one article or one tweet or one link? Well, there you go. I can only say it so many times. You need to research this yourself. I am not telling you what to think, I gave you an alternative view and told you to research both.

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