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Make America Great Again!

We hear this all the time now. Intrinsic in this phrase is the presumption that the USA was great and is no longer. Is this what you believe?

To my many friends here who are not citizens or residents of the United States of America, I do (as always) welcome your input in the comments, but this post is primarily directed to my countrymen (and women). And yes, I am proud to be of what we like to call the land of the free and the home of the brave. However, please know that I have traveled extensively through many of your homelands and there is much to be proud of throughout this world. Your culture, just like mine, is part of a beautiful mosaic that makes up humanity.

So, to my fellow citizens ... Do you believe that the USA was great and is no longer? Because I do. But I suspect that many of us differ on what was great in the past and what is no longer great.

There was a time not too distant in the past when if you were not white, Anglo-Saxon, and Protestant, then you were "lesser". God forbid you were none of the three (not white, not Anglo-Saxon, and not Protestant). Am I talking about a hundred years ago? Nope, I'm talking about the 1950's and 1960's and 1970's.

And what if you were gay or lesbian or some "other" on the orientation or gender spectrum? Well that was even worse because even the non-white, non-Anglo-Saxon, non-Protestants rejected you.

Now add in a little eccentricity and suddenly you were crazy and committed to an asylum. Right?

But that America was great, wasn't it?

I know, I know, that is not what most of you are referring to when you say America was great. My point here is that America wasn't so great for huge swaths of Americans. But you're going to tell me that what you most miss is American manufacturing and good jobs for the middle class, right? Is that the issue? Okay, let's look at that.

Our economy has, indeed, shifted its focus away from manufacturing with services and high-tech employing millions in jobs that did not exist a few decades ago. But with that shift comes an enormous reduction in workplace injury rates:

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Okay, so we manufacture less, right? Or do we?


Right, but we employ fewer people in manufacturing, right?


Nope. The truth here is that manufacturing output in dollars is way up, employment in the manufacturing sector is still number one across our economy, and Americans are safer in the workplace than ever before.

So what is the issue? I'm serious. I really want to know what decade you look to as the time when America was great and what about that decade do you want to bring back?





I said at the beginning that I do believe that the USA was great and is no longer. Do you want to know what I think needs to comeback? Well, a few things.

I'll start first with our politics... Democrats and Republicans have never agreed on everything, but there was a time when they agreed on many things. Compromise being first among them. For example, do you remember the last time we reformed our immigration laws? Yes, it was the result of a compromise between Republican President Ronald Reagan (of California) and Democrat Speaker of the House of Representatives Thomas "Tip" O'Neill (of Massachusetts). East coast, west coast. Liberal, conservative. Polar opposites who saw the importance of compromise. Too bad their law was never once backed with any significant enforcement.

But six years later the new Speaker of the House declared publicly and proudly that his role and the role of Republicans in Congress was to ensure that the new administration succeeded in nothing. What happened to the "loyal opposition"??

Second is our reputation in the world. As the new post-war world order was settling in, America's reputation was on the rise. When America spoke at the UN, evidence to back up our position was not needed because America wouldn't lie. Countries around the world WANTED to loan us land for bases because we didn't want to colonize their countries, we just want to trade fairly with them and wanted to protect the high seas and promote freedom and capitalism. We were, for a while, a shining city on a hill, a phrase used frequently by American presidents including John Kennedy and Ronald Reagan.

Today we are anything but. Today, we are moving to close ourselves off from the world, to pull back our presence, to abandon those we used to wrap our arms around. Where once we helped you because freedom and democracy were at risk, today we first assess your mineral wealth and your willingness to pay for our help. Personally I'm ashamed.





So, yes, let's Make America Great Again.

1) Let's elect politicians who represent our big picture views of liberalism or conservatism but who above all else seek unity and equal justice for all.

2) Let's reopen America and American business to the world and not hide behind protectionist policies that harm everyone.

3) Let's recommit to supporting and strengthening our alliances around the world to defend freedom, democracy, and (yes) capitalism.

The far right and the far left of American politics need to both be rejected. To my Republican friends, I will stand with you and proudly fly my flag when you reject those who would tear down others and treat them as lesser just because they are different. To my Democrat friends, I will stand with you when you stand up for law and order and reject those who seek the destruction of our society.

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DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
None of your graphs apply. That's endemic. Not systemic

We have a serious systemic problem.

Yet this saying does apply.

Just because your baby is dirty, smelly and crying it's head off like a banshee, doesn't mean you throw out the baby with the bathwater.

The actual smell, shrieking, dirt is capitalism! At least recognize it for what it is!

Don't throw out the baby though!
Clean it up for Pete's sake!
sarabee1995 · 26-30, FVIP
@DeWayfarer We differ in our views on capitalism and it's necessity in today's world.

Someday we (humanity) will live in a world with open borders, no need for money, and equal rights for all, but that day will not be in my lifetime.

Until then we need things like democracy, laws & constitutions, and capitalism.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@sarabee1995 I agree with all but capitalism. It's the antithesis of democracy.

And why Socrates, Plato and Aristotle despised democracy.

They considered democracy mob rule!

Here is a check on my statement!

https://www.theschooloflife.com/article/why-socrates-hated-democracy/

https://www.lifestyledemocracy.com/what-did-ancient-greek-philosophers-and-scholars-think-about-democracy/

Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle criticized democracy for its potential to lead to mob rule and poor decision-making by uninformed citizens.

They believed that without proper education and rational thought, democracy could result in the election of demagogues rather than wise leaders, ultimately leading to tyranny.

Add to that fact that the word aristocrat comes from Aristotle!
sarabee1995 · 26-30, FVIP
@DeWayfarer So what would you propose as a replacement for capitalism tomorrow. If you could waive a magic wand and replace our economic systems, what would you do? And where has it been tested in the past and been shown to work at scale?
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@sarabee1995 Our constitution was meant to be amended. It was hoped that certain things were to be removed.

Like slavery!

Like the 5th amendment.

Parts of the 14th amendment were not even considered. A corporation is not a person to even have rights!

These things need to change!

It changed over time (the 14th amendment) it can change back at any time!

And can even be added to. Like the 19th amendment with women's rights.

And none of those additions and changes happened all at once.

We need some major changes in the constitution though.

Removing that clause in the 14th amendment about corporations would be a start. Make the corporate president and or board members responsible! Especially if they bankrupt that corporation!

The way it is, is capitalistic! The top members are never responsible PERSONALLY!

Remove the right for corporations to form PACs!

You want a PAC? Make them pay taxes! PACs are normally tax free corporations anyway. And not responsible for their own actions.

Want to throw a riot? Do it through a PAC!

Want to launder money? Do it through a shell corporation.

Look at how any billionaire donates to any political campaign. They create a tax free corporation to donate! And therefore don't pay taxes.

Our framers despise taxation without representation. Well what is happening now is representation, by the few, without taxation through these PACs.

That is capitalism. Giving even more representation to the few.

I could go on and on and on. But it doesn't need to be done ALL at once.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, FVIP
@DeWayfarer Okay so you've gone on and further detailed your dislike of capitalism. I get it.

But I asked what would you propose as a replacement for capitalism tomorrow. If you could waive a magic wand and replace our economic systems, what would you do? And where has it been tested in the past and been shown to work at scale?

Or do you just want to make incremental changes while keeping capitalism as the basic system?
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@sarabee1995 It was never intended to replace the whole system. It's why a constitutional convention is so hard to do in the first place.

We have gradually made it capitalist though, so it gradually must be undone.

There never is any magic wands in any of this. And never was any magic wands either.

It doesn't make it right though to freeze any constitutional government.

And that's exactly what we have done.

Change MUST happen!

Or else this government WILL fall apart!

Everything MUST change or cease to exist!
sarabee1995 · 26-30, FVIP
@DeWayfarer No one "gradually made it [America] capitalist." The thirteen colonies were deeply involved in an interconnected capitalist economy when the country was founded.

And I realize there is no magic wand. I simply asked what system you would prefer rather than capitalism.

Lastly, what is frozen? The amendment process is still in place and available for the people to make changes. 🤔
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@sarabee1995
Lastly, what is frozen? The amendment process is still in place and available for the people to make changes. 🤔

When was the last constitutional amendment passed? And let me remind you even that was in the original bill of rights!

We are constitutionally FROZEN!

Added edit.
Everything MUST change or cease to exist!
sarabee1995 · 26-30, FVIP
@DeWayfarer The last amendment passed was in 1992 and it was most certainly not in the original Bill of Rights.

Amendments were very intentionally made difficult to achieve (as they should be) requiring supermajorities of both States and Congress.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@sarabee1995 it was stated as ARTICLE I of the original bill of rights!

Bill Clinton, a Democrat, was the one that got it passed through Congress!

We are constitutionally FROZEN!

And Republicans (pure capitalists) just love it that way! No change is the platform of pure capitalists.

Yet once again
Everything MUST change or cease to exist!
sarabee1995 · 26-30, FVIP
@DeWayfarer I stand corrected. The 27th passed in 1992 was originally proposed with the rest of the Bill of Rights. But the 26th, passed in 1971, was not. It was proposed and passed in the 60's and 70's. Nothing is frozen.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@sarabee1995 Even at the 70s that a life time ago! You're talking over 50 years it hasn't changed!

That's longer than you have been alive!

It's FROZEN!

I would be happy with a change in the constitution every 20 years! Republicans refuse to change at all!

BTW the 26th amendment was passed so Richard Nixon could get more conservative votes! So he could get more military votes.

All the liberals were protesting the military draft. He was shortly afterwards impeached for other such schemes.

Confirmation!

You're right that many young people involved in the anti-war movement were actively seeking to avoid the draft, and there was a significant divide between those who supported the war and those who opposed it.

Nixon's support for the 26th Amendment can be seen as a political maneuver, as he aimed to appeal to younger voters, including those in the military who tended to be more conservative. The amendment did indeed change the political landscape by enfranchising a younger demographic, which included those who were more likely to support military policies.

This is how capitalism increases. Through schemes!
sarabee1995 · 26-30, FVIP
@DeWayfarer You really think 18-20 years olds are on average more conservative??? 🤣🤣🤣

Anyway, regarding amending the Constitution, neither side (right or left) ever supports amendments proposed by the other. That's like telling me the sky is blue. This is not news.

Changes to the highest law in the land should be difficult. They should be more difficult than passing a bi-partial bill through Congress. Supermajorities can only be achieved when both sides of the political spectrum agree on a change. The Constitution should NOT be subject ever to majoritarianism.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@sarabee1995
You really think 18-20 years olds are on average more conservative???

You are ignoring the times back in 1971 as well as the situation in the military. The draft dodgers were a serious thing. And NONE of them were conservative.

Even Trump was a Democrat back then with his draft dodging bone spur excuse!

Heck even Ronald Reagan was a Democrat back then as the president of the screen actors guild.

The military was whom Nixon wanted to vote!

The hippie movement alone refused to vote! They had no permanent address to vote!

BTW my half brother was a conservative in the military back then! All his military friends were conservative as well!

I grew up in the 1960s! I knew what it was like! I was even involved in politics at the time. I wrote president Ford in 1976!

Changes to the highest law in the land should be difficult. They should be more difficult than passing a bi-partial bill through Congress. Supermajorities can only be achieved when both sides of the political spectrum agree on a change. The Constitution should NOT be subject ever to majoritarianism.


And I totally disagree! Not saying it should be easy yet not impossible, which is the current situation.

We haven't had a ⅔ majority since Clinton in either party in both house and Senate.

Even Clinton had to have some from the Republican party to vote for something in the bill of rights. Not all Democrats agreed with it.

The Constitution is FROZEN! And for the last 54 years at minimum;

Once again...
Everything MUST change or cease to exist!