Greta Thunberg deported by Israel in the Mediterranean.

@Ferise1 Maybe by Jews who aren't fascist.

@BohemianBabe why was she deported?

@Ferise1 Probably because Israel didn't want anymore bad publicity. Zionists have spent decades demonizing Palestinians to the point where they can get away with a genocide, but kidnapping a Swedish girl is a different story. Then Israel would have to deal with the EU.

@BohemianBabe was Greta giving them bad publicity?

@Ferise1 You know they kidnapped her, right? Then she made a video about it before they could take away her phone.
So yeah, the best thing the Zionists could do is deport her as quickly as possible.

@Ferise1 Try watching some left-wing media.

@BohemianBabe no

@Ferise1 So you want to remain ignorant? Weird flex, but ok.

@LeopoldBloom cool!

@LeopoldBloom
What anti-semitic things has she said or done?

@BohemianBabe She blames climate change on Zionism.

@Ferise1 OK Adolf

@LeopoldBloom why are you calling me Adolf?

@Ferise1 Do you think it's "cool" that Greta hates Jews?

@LeopoldBloom oh yeah I kind of said that didn’t I

@LeopoldBloom
I've never heard that, but even if it was true, that's not anti-semitism. Zionism isn't equivalent to Jews, just like Hamas isn't equivalent to Palestinians.

@BohemianBabe
This is an interesting perspective. Can you explain it?

@LeopoldBloom
No it's not. It's the belief that Israel should be an ethnostate for Jews. If Israel ended the apartheid and gave equal rights to Jews and Palestinians, the Jews would still have self-determination in Israel. But so would Palestinians, which is the real issue.


Duh. Israel has created conditions that push Palestinians towards Hamas.

@BohemianBabe Got it, your definition of Zionism is your own. I could just as easily say that Socialism is the belief that the government is entitled to confiscate private property and throw you into a reeducation camp if you complain.

Zionism was originally a refugee rescue project, to get Jews out of Europe. It's interesting that you have a favorable view of refugees, unless they're Jewish.

@LeopoldBloom This definition isn't my own, it's both the historic and modern definition used by most Zionists.

Zionism was partly about getting Jews out of Europe because they were being persecuted. However, it was also about creating a "Jewish state," in the words of Theodor Herzl.

The aim of a movement can change over time, which could cause the definitions of words to change. But when it comes to Zionism, it's still about Israel being a Jewish state.

And before you say it's not about Israel being an ethnostate, it's about self-determination for Jews in Israel, well then there's no need for the apartheid. Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank should have the same rights as Jews.

@BohemianBabe The definition of Zionism, according to Zionists, is Jewish self-determination in their historic homeland. It began as a rescue project when it became apparent that European antisemitism was quickly becoming more effective. The reason a "Jewish state" (meaning a Jewish majority state) was necessary was because Jews had not done well as minorities in most places. If the Arab world had accepted the original UN partition (even though it was batshit crazy) Israel would be much smaller today and the Palestinians would have had their own state all this time.

Apartheid is just a buzzword in this case. First, Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank are not Israeli citizens the way Zulus and Xhosas were South African citizens. Also, apartheid refers to the oppression of one race of people by another, so it doesn't apply here either because Israeli Jews and Palestinian Arabs are the same race. In fact, they often can't even tell each other apart on first glance.

The ideal situation would be a federation of self-governing cantons, however, only a tiny minority on either side wants that, so two states is the most viable option. However, there are obstacles to that as I explained here.

https://similarworlds.com/countries/israel/5099081-Why-there-has-not-been-an-agreement-for-a-Palestinian-state