SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
Nobody who actually needs those food stamps will be cut off. But those who have defrauded the program have been arrested. They're going to prison, hopefully.
Aha, but the cuts are already scheduled into the budget. If savings are not found by uncovering fraud (and the dismal performance of DOGE to date casts doubt on these actions delivering any more than a small fraction of the boasts of their sponsors), then it will be the poor who pay.
It would be a sign of good faith (and far more productive) if the Trump administration pursued income tax fraud with as much zeal as it does over the limited resources available to the poorest in society.
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SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@GerOttman Well, if the industrial-scale fraud exists in food stamps, there is no further debate. But as Mr Musk has discovered to his cost, the grimy reality is a touch more complicated than the political rhetoric. For my money, chasing the tax cheats is rather more satisfying game . . 🦁
GerOttman · 61-69, M
@SunshineGirl fine, that too. but why the catagories? theft is theft, who cares what color hat it's wearing?
oldguy73 · 70-79, M
i live in a small town many cities around, every day people are arrested for welfare fraud, most have boy or girl friend who works, they will sell a $100 snap benifit to someone for $70 to buy smokes, booze , drugs, lots of cheaters all over, a friends daugther got pregnant just to collect benefits, it need work
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@Reason10
I agree, dumping 10 million illegals atop a welfare system that locks people in rather serves as a pathway out of poverty is to inflict yet more misery.
But while I agree with the notion that people can work their way out of poverty, poverty in the US has been institutionalized to feed on itself and grow. Locking many poor people on the inside.
My impression of people locked in poverty is that they are every bit as smart and moral as me and possibly you, but the system locks them in, by isolating them, my destroying our micro economy, with too many regulations, by uneven policing, etc., etc., etc.
I agree, dumping 10 million illegals atop a welfare system that locks people in rather serves as a pathway out of poverty is to inflict yet more misery.
But while I agree with the notion that people can work their way out of poverty, poverty in the US has been institutionalized to feed on itself and grow. Locking many poor people on the inside.
My impression of people locked in poverty is that they are every bit as smart and moral as me and possibly you, but the system locks them in, by isolating them, my destroying our micro economy, with too many regulations, by uneven policing, etc., etc., etc.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@oldguy73
Yep. And if that under the table money is drug and gang related people are afraid to complain.
I grew up in the 40s and 50s, small town, when the micro economy was flourishing. People raised chickens and sold eggs, or collected moss from trees and sold it, or shined shoes, or took in wash, or ironed shirts, sharpened lawnmower blades, etc. A dirt poor family that lived around the block the mom made turn-over pies and the kid walked the street to sell then. The micro economy was a stepping stone for both survival and escape. Welfare sadly replaced that micro economy, or the survival part. But also took away the launch pad for escaping poverty.
What seems to happen in big cities is that the housing authority distributes renters by age/stability category. Like matured older in one housing community, young single parents in another, etc. While it helps keep the younger and wilder population from annoying the senior citizens it concentrates the "troublemaker" inclined in another where they may be unmanageable.
Yep. And if that under the table money is drug and gang related people are afraid to complain.
I grew up in the 40s and 50s, small town, when the micro economy was flourishing. People raised chickens and sold eggs, or collected moss from trees and sold it, or shined shoes, or took in wash, or ironed shirts, sharpened lawnmower blades, etc. A dirt poor family that lived around the block the mom made turn-over pies and the kid walked the street to sell then. The micro economy was a stepping stone for both survival and escape. Welfare sadly replaced that micro economy, or the survival part. But also took away the launch pad for escaping poverty.
What seems to happen in big cities is that the housing authority distributes renters by age/stability category. Like matured older in one housing community, young single parents in another, etc. While it helps keep the younger and wilder population from annoying the senior citizens it concentrates the "troublemaker" inclined in another where they may be unmanageable.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
@fanuc2013 It’s really common for smaller stores such as convenience stores. Some of those owners will do anything for money.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@Heartlander Well, that is generally because the poorest in society have the fewest options about where to shop (owing to supermarkets not investing in poorer neighbourhoods and lack of transport). Obesity can be an indicator of plentifulness, but in children it is more like to signal malnutrition.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@cherokeepatti Aldi had long been critisized for all the cheap junk food up front, I believe to the point of being hammered in exchange for tax abatement or TIFs. Yea, Type-2 diabetes at the age of 10 should be everyone's wake-up call. I prefer Aldi to Walmart in general, a big Walmart advantage though is how they intergrated home delivery to make it fluid.
One interesting Aldi memory is their store in an inner city area where they had to hire a security guard to manage the carts. Turn your back with an empty cart for a second and someone night snatch it to get that quarter :)
One interesting Aldi memory is their store in an inner city area where they had to hire a security guard to manage the carts. Turn your back with an empty cart for a second and someone night snatch it to get that quarter :)
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@SunshineGirl
Those fewer options are in part a result of of codes, regulations and laws that favor people with more money or richer communities. For example, building codes that require a 50 year old building to be brought up to current code if any improvements are made. That expense may overwhelm a business catering to a poorer community leaving to business no option but to let the building and facilities just continue to deteriorate, which in turns brings down the neighborhood further, eventually turning the neighborhood to no option but to bull-doze it.
Well, that is generally because the poorest in society have the fewest options about where to shop (owing to supermarkets not investing in poorer neighbourhoods and lack of transport). Obesity can be an indicator of plentifulness, but in children it is more like to signal malnutrition.
Those fewer options are in part a result of of codes, regulations and laws that favor people with more money or richer communities. For example, building codes that require a 50 year old building to be brought up to current code if any improvements are made. That expense may overwhelm a business catering to a poorer community leaving to business no option but to let the building and facilities just continue to deteriorate, which in turns brings down the neighborhood further, eventually turning the neighborhood to no option but to bull-doze it.
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
DogMan · 61-69, M
Democrats love this kind of fraud, they feel like it helps the little people.
