Deportations... and what is "citizenship" worth these days?

Almost 2 years ago, I posted this:

https://similarworlds.com/politics/4751618-so-are-deportations-on-the-table-now

... after listening to another one of Donald Trumps' speeches. I've no idea why not more people, especially in the news and in the presidential race, have repeated this over and over again. It's pretty much one of the most antithetical things you can say, when you are living in a country that has a constitution that protects citizens by giving them rights. A country that is working in a global paradigm, where the concept of citizenship is (should be) protected.

One year and 10 months later though... we get the white house spokesperson just casually talking about the following:

EDIT: 6 days after the original post (15.04.2025)

I guess, all of this is just all being normalized more and more.

I hope the majority out there doesn't get boiled to death before they figure out what is actually happening.

Now I'm awake to the world. I was asleep before. That's how we let it happen. When they slaughtered Congress, we didn't wake up. When they blamed terrorists and suspended the constitution, we didn't wake up then, either. Nothing changes instantaneously. In a gradually heating bathtub, you'd be boiled to death before you knew it.

- Margaret Atwood, The Handmaid's Tale

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dale74 · M

If you are an actual citizen you can't be deported unless you have dual citizenship then your citizenship can be revoked sending you to the one other country that you have citizenship to. That is part of the reason why it is encouraged if you get citizenship in a preferred country you relinquish your other citizenship.

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Kwek00 · 41-45, M

@dale74 Yeah... and how is that working out for you? When your legislative branch is captured, and part of your supreme court is hanging out upside down American flags.

This is all cool in theory and on paper, but if those in power are not willing to live up to the spirit of the constitution, then the constitution is nothing more then a piece of paper.

And you also forgot something... you have voters. People like you. And what did you do in the last elections... give me a break with your theory when you can't even live up to your own responsibilities.

dale74 · M

@Kwek00 now you know how conservative stuff for the last 30 years we just smiled and took it we complained we voted and we stuck with the system just like you need to do we didn't protest we didn't riot we didn't set things on fire we worked in the system until we get it changed to what it is now so enjoy

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ninalanyon · 61-69, T

Here in Norway the opposite happened in 2014. The constitution was amended to make the rights of citizens to enter the country clearer.

It says:

§ 106.

Enhver som oppholder seg lovlig i riket, kan fritt bevege seg innenfor rikets grenser og velge sitt bosted der.

Ingen kan nektes å forlate riket med mindre det er nødvendig av hensyn til en effektiv rettsforfølgelse eller for avtjening av verneplikt. Norske statsborgere kan ikke nektes adgang til riket.

0 Tilføyd ved grunnlovsvedtak 13 mai 2014 kunngjort ved res. 14 mai 2014 nr. 628, endret ved vedtak 27 mai 2014 kunngjort ved res. 20 juni 2014 nr. 778.

In the unofficial English version provided by the Storting:

Article 106.

Everyone who resides legally in the realm may move freely within the borders of the realm and choose their place of residence there.

No one may be denied the right to leave the realm, unless so required out of consideration for effective legal proceedings or the performance of military service. Norwegian citizens may not be refused entry into the realm.

So deporting a Norwegian citizen would require an amendment to the constitution and while that is easier than amending the US constitution it still requires two thirds of the parliament to vote for it.

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