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A short history of the radicalization of American politics in the 21st century

The best way to approach the issue is by trying to identify the moment when the growing divergence began to occur.

The high point of bipartisan centrism and consensus were the late 1980s, 1990s and early 2000s. Reagan had just introduced a new broad economic and foreign policy consensus. Both parties held differing views on economic, immigration and foreign policy issues, yet they were largely compatible within a broadly internationalist, globally engaged and free market framework.
Even environmental policy was an area of cooperation with George H.W Bush working towards the Montreal Protocol to react to the ozone layer or George W Bush passing a bipartisan energy bill that was aimed at reducing carbon emissions.
There was also another consensus on fiscal profligacy. So if fiscal discipline had to be broken it was for one of 4 reasons. Military spending (1), economic emergencies (2), tax cuts (3) or healthcare subsidies (4).

Socially, there were obviously divisions because the country was culturally divided. Half of the country thought people were losing God, the other half thought America was quasi-fundamentalist. Gun owners on the one hand and people who were worried about guns on the other. Death penalty supporters and devoted death penalty abolitionists. People supporting same-sex marriage, the theory of evolution, stem cell research and abortion and people opposing all of it. The fault lines being determined by religious, personal and regional backgrounds.

It’s important to keep this pre-existing cultural divide in mind, since liberal, democratic and capitalist societies might get polarized over issues of foreign policy and economic policy, but what breaks them apart are cultural issues. Something that materialist-deterministic thinkers usually and purposefully ignore.

So despite these social divisions and the increasing ugliness of the cultural battles (epitomized by Newt Gingrich, the Lewinsky-Affair and the subsequent public backlash or Rush Limbaugh) the political status quo was principally aligned with a gradual progression of social liberalism as more Americans became more socially liberal. More states didn’t enforce the death penalty, abolished corporal punishment, legalized drug use or same sex marriage, Roe v Wade wasn‘t successfully challenged, women and minorities became more powerful through changing values and growing labor market participation, meanwhile both parties were generally supportive of legal immigration ( and irregular immigration which was tolerated de facto).

The more moderate candidates always won the Republican Party‘s primaries until 2016, that is. But more to that later.

So where did it all go wrong?

The answer to that question has to take account of how internal party dynamics drove a double wedge between this Washington Consensus, if you will.
The electorate as a whole might’ve been receptive to it and even possibly majorities in both parties. Still, the majorities in both parties for the established political directions were declining and the dissenters were rising in numbers.

Many Democrats were perpetually frustrated and perplexed by the fact that socio-cultural change wasn’t happening even faster than it did. A growing portion of their base rejected Clintonomics which - while electorally and economically successful - was an aberration, rather than a Democratic or center-left tradition. It was a clear pivot to the economic center and away from any semblance of social democratic policies. Finally, Democrats became increasingly uneasy about liberal interventionism in the world as they did before, after Vietnam and as a response to Reagan‘s support for the Contras.
After the Democratic Party made the opportunistic and partisan choice to go all in against the policies they once supported (namely the war in Iraq) and excoriated Bush for Guantanamo, EIT, extraordinary rendition, they unleashed a conspiratorial, anti-interventionist and populist impulse that was hard for them to contain and which would eventually turn against them since the Democratic Party largely backed the war on terror and the Patriot Act - which was abhorrent to this new group of left-wing populists.

More and more Republicans, on the other hand, were uneasy about the direction of their party leadership. Fox News and radio hosts took on an identity of their own and there was a growing disconnect between the perceived grievances of the base and how Republican politicians in Washington talked and acted.
Both Bushs (41&43) managed to irritate the two groups that were the foundation of the Goldwater-Reagan-Buckley fusion conservatism. The fusion idea revolved around harnessing both (and often contradictory) libertarian and social conservative traditions in the US to build a broad coalition. Bush Sr. was a social moderate, he didn’t resist the growing liberalization of the US society. He didn’t berate women for working, people for not going to Church, or homosexuals for being homosexuals, he signed gun control legislations. Libertarians, meanwhile were frustrated by his internationalist foreign policy and his tax hike.
And then there are the paleo-conservatives. They were livid. Reagan managed to contain them while Bush actually had to run against Pat Buchanan who gained a sizeable portion of the primary vote. Many paleo-conservatives then decided to vote for Ross Perot in the general election. Paleo-conservatives are basically social conservatives who‘re irreconcilably opposed to America‘s role in the world and to free trade, immigration and globalization.

As the country became more inclusive, tolerant and socially progressive in the early 2000s Bush jr really couldn’t do anything to appease the social conservatives either apart from cutting foreign aid for countries that allowed abortions. On top of that, paleo-conservatives were losing it. The neoconservative-neoliberal paradigm of the Reagan-Bush era was just too far from their ideological comfort zone and they were increasingly discontent with being the perpetual, marginalized fringe. Lastly, libertarians didn’t approve of Bush‘s foreign policy or of the financial bailouts or the increased spending on public education and Medicare. Two issues libertarians supported, Social Security reform and an immigration reform floundered due to Democratic (and social conservative) opposition in the case of the former, and paleo-conservative and social conservative opposition, in the case of the latter.

And then everything changed, Obama‘s victory was an absolute nightmare for the right-wing of the political spectrum. And he was certainly demonized in response to the outrage his victory caused. Kenyan-born, Muslim, communist. Un-American. One invective after another. And even those on the right, who weren’t electrified by the hate were nevertheless unsettled by Obama for one reason or another. He clearly supercharged further cultural liberalization in the US, the Supreme Court ruled on homosexual marriage and political correctness became a dominant feature of social and political interactions.

Due to the financial crisis, a socially more liberal electorate and the skepticism about Iraq, Obama‘s moderate populism prevailed twice. He ran on a grievance platform so his reforms were more radical than those of Bush or Clinton. He used EO to regulate where Clinton deregulated, passed the Dodd-Frank Act, ObamaCare and substantial stimuli (public spending) packages while prematurely withdrawing from Iraq and pursuing a less militarily activist foreign policy. Much to my chagrin. So what should be noted is a somewhat controlled policy departure from Clinton‘s triangulation in favor of moderate, center-left policies. Thus, the Democratic Party had a new ideological center of gravity and it was a pivot to the left. Many things, however, remained unchanged. The Democratic leadership remained pro-immigration, pro-tech, kept tax rates relatively low, was committed to some semblance of fiscal discipline, free trade and flexible labor laws and most of the policies were market-compatible rather than overtly statist.

What happened on the Republican side of the equation was much more explosive and turbulent. The Tea Party became the dual resistance to the Republican leadership and to Obama, simultaneously. They managed to combine a volatile and incongruent coalition of libertarians, social conservatives and paleo-conservatives. However, the majority of the Republican base was still committed to more moderate Reagan-Bush figures and policies, as the victories of McCain and Romney over alternative candidates like Gingrich, Ron Paul, Huckabee and Santorum show.

Enter, Donald Trump. After two failed attempts of the “mainstream/establishment“ Republicans to re-assert themselves, an opening presented itself to the lingering and aggressive opposition to the polished, technocratic, khaki wearing, country club Republican leadership. And the major catalyst for the change was the issue of immigration. While many Maga enthusiasts were conceivably upset about the loss of the White-male supremacy in culture and business or worried about a less patriotic and Christian and more cosmopolitan and areligious country, the central theme to fight this battle of cultural reaction was the border.

Immigrants became the unifying scapegoat. They weren’t born as Americans and many broke the law by entering the country illegally. Nativist and rule of law types naturally didn’t approve. Immigrants were also changing the demographic and ethnic composition of the country while being a symptom of “nefarious“ globalization which meant the paleo-conservatives were frightened and hostile. And finally, some libertarians or moderate Republicans were worried about the crime perpetrated by some undocumented immigrants or about welfare payments to them.

No candidate in 2016 had a more universally famous anti-immigration platform than Donald Trump. That, the lingering frustration which gave him access to a sizeable minority of all Republican voters and a weak and split Republican field enabled him to win the primaries.

That day changed the political and ideological configuration of the US. The Reagan-Bush party was dying on the right, and the slow death of the Clinton-Gore party was only accelerated by Trump‘s populist, national conservatism.

The progressives were now a formidable power center within the Democratic Party. And they knew how to capitalize on it without representing the majority of the Democratic base. It was the era of ideological transformation, things that used to be unthinkable in political and policy circles within the Democratic orbit became pervasive. Modern Monetary Theory, wealth taxes, higher corporate, income, and capital gains taxes, Medicare for all, abolishing ICE, defunding the police, bashing Israel, massive industrial policy endeavors like the green new deal or protectionism and economic nationalism were now no longer a political vulnerability for progressives but an asset - at least in their states and districts.

At the same time, the media environment was changing rapidly. People moved from a few relatively centrist television networks (however with a left-wing tilt) and reputable newspapers to a more competitive tv and newspaper environment until both became even less relevant with the emergence of social media - which made eco-chambers and information bubbles the new norm. This type of media-ecosystem, moreover, became a large digital petri dish for conspiracy theories and fake news.

Eventually, the radicalization reached a point where two distinctly different interpretations of something as fundamental as democracy itself could coexist, meaning even an attack on the constitution and on classically liberal democracy in the US by Donald Trump was shrugged off because half of the country thought the Democrats were an even bigger threat to democracy. When something like that happens, the trajectory of continuing radicalization can only end in one way. Something has to give. Either the constitutional order of the US collapses or the Trumpian Right does. Let’s see what comes first.
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
It's all interesting and well-researched.

Caveat: I'm British.

A few areas of disagreement.

I don't think that the 80s were a time of bipartisan consensus in America. It was on foreign policy (since the WW2). The Reagan revolution massively upended things and brought in the neoliberal era. On economics, the Democrats were divided into those who wanted to fight Reaganism and those who wanted to go along with it, with the latter winning out by the Clinton era.

The 90s were the time of least polarisation due to what I just mentioned and the end of the USSR as an existing alternative model. The time of greatest polarisation is now.

However, the polarisation is asymmetrical. The Democrats haven't moved that much in recent years. They have a radical social democratic wing but it's marginalised and they tied to the same consensus (economic and foreign policy) that both parties used to follow. They have become more liberal on social issues and Biden was a tepid step to the left but it certainly wasn't a radical change.

It's the Republicans who have radicalised and are upending the existing order.

For various reasons (some of which you mention) the far-right takeover is more advanced in America than in any other major country but you will know as well as I do that the nationalist right is rising across Europe and elsewhere.

Why?

There are lots of factors. The relative geopolitical decline of the West, internet conspiracy theories and the decline in organised labour. The slow collapse of trust in mainstream institutions and a revival in nationalist identities.

There is also the point that the neoliberal era once brought about rapid growth and increases in living standards but is no longer able to do so. Though there is still spirally wealth inequality which produces resentment. As someone who I suspect is a classical liberal, you might disagree on that point.
CedricH · M
@Burnley123
Biden was a tepid step to the left but it certainly wasn't a radical change.
It's the Republicans who have radicalised and are upending the existing order.

I left out the Biden Presidency but I have to disagree on that point. As someone who knows, understands and advocates for the adherence to neoliberal doctrine, Biden‘s Presidency was a drastic, and yes radical shift away from it. I could bore you with the policy details but although this transformation saddens me and even though I’m confident that it’s politically counterproductive and harmful in terms of policy outcomes, your second sentence is dispositive.
The Democrats may have moved “radically“ from economic centrism to center-left, social democratic and economically populist positions - but it is the Republican Party that threatens the liberal domestic order in the US and hence the constitution and the values espoused in the Declaration of Independence.
So programmatically the parties haven’t polarized asymmetrically. In fact, they converged on some issues as the new consensus became more economically interventionist and nationalist including on trade, antitrust, immigration and industrial policy - and more timid on foreign policy.

But only one party has become a truly reactionary and authoritarian force threatening enlightened liberalism and democracy itself. In that sense, the radicalization has been highly asymmetrical.

As for the supposed geopolitical decline of the West as a factor for the rise of authoritarian, anti-liberal, right-wing populism - it‘s exactly the other way around. The power of the liberal world order is still partially unipolar, the political choices that Washington makes will eventually determine the sustainment and expansion of Pax Americans or its downfall.

(As for the 1980s, you mentioned the foreign policy overlap but every major tax and legislation and budget by Reagan was the bipartisan product of his cooperation with Tip O‘Neill)
@CedricH You clearly have no understanding of neoliberalism if you think Biden was a shift away from it. If anything it was doubling down on the status quo.

And the democrats are not centre left unless you are comparing it to the current GOP fascism. They are not social democratic. In fact the Democrats hate social democrats within their own party more than the GOP. They would rather see Trump president for life rather than have an AOC or Bernie Sanders.


And as for the reactionaries I am assuming you mean the GOP.

All American politics are unipolar so that is a non sequitur.

But it is objectively the reactionary right that is taking over. And it is the reactionary right running it into the ground.

And the neoliberal Democrats have no answers because at the systemic level they have no alternatives.
CedricH · M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow It is you who doesn’t understand neoliberalism, if you can’t discern the growing dissonance between the doctrine and Biden‘s policies.
And as for the reactionaries I am assuming you mean the GOP.
But yes, that’s exactly what I meant and I didn’t say American politics is unipolar but the American-led world order is, if the US chose to lead accordingly.
@CedricH You make all kinds of extraordinary claims with zero evidence to back it up. Absolutely nothing has changed ideologically.

Anyone who believes Biden is not a neo liberal are people deluding themselves to feel better about not supporting Bernie. Deluding themselves into believing a neoliberal is actually a leftist.


Same difference. The American led world is dictated by American bipartisan imperialism.
CedricH · M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I apologize that I don’t share your Noam Chomsky meets Michael Moore meets Karl Marx psyche. But let me tell you something just for the record and so you understand.

Our views are so fundamentally opposed that we will naturally disagree even on basic definitions.

I‘ll give you an example. Hitler couldn’t see a difference between the communist party or the social democrats or liberal parties for that matter. They were all the same to him, the same ideological enemy despite the fact that they were quite different. So his ideological insanity made it more difficult for him to analytically capture nuances. You‘re suffering from the same handicap.

I will never subscribe to the same definitions and interpretations as fascists or Marxists like yourself. So we‘re simply not on the same wavelength.

Thus, even if I were to present you with “evidence” you would just dismiss it out of hand because you disagree with the conclusion since it violates your precious beliefs. I can respect that in your case because your ideology is of no significance in the US or anywhere else for that matter.
@CedricH I am sorry but left wing and neoliberalism have definitions. It is not whatever suits your argument.


What a right wing fascist lunatic thought 80 years ago is irrelevant.

Unlike you I understand definitions.

You sound like the Americans who were calling Obama a Maoist.


Again. Words have definitions.


And as usual you have no evidence or actual arguments to support your extraordinary claims.

Extraordinary claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
CedricH · M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow My dear Canadian comrade, your delusional ranting is amusing but nothing more than that. You claim my assertions are extraordinary, I would say it‘s rather extraordinary for you to claim that you actually understand basic ideological definitions when everything in your posts indicates the exact opposite. I‘m afraid you won’t be able to notice the irony. What a pity.
@CedricH One thing you are entirely dishonest about in your analysis here is with the Trump GOP the GOP embraced MAGA and the far right reactionaries.


The Democrats crushed the progressive wing of the party and none of those talking points you use as an argument ever made it into policy because again the Biden camp crushed the progressive wing of the party.

Only one side has an ideological change.

The other purged it entirely. The Democrats would literally rather put a terminally ill cancer patient in a position than allow someone like AOC do anything meaningful.
@CedricH And predictably all you have is insults. Still absolutely nothing to support your position. Says alot.
CedricH · M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Gosh your disinformation is either borne out of pure ignorance or it‘s purposeful manipulation. Either way, I‘m not buying what you‘re selling.
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@CedricH Bore me with all the details you like.

America was (and is) the most neoliberal.country in the world, even during a Democratic Presidency. Yes, the had the build back better program due to COVID and tried (but failed) to forgive student debt and had some tepidly pro union labour laws.

They didn't do universal health care, tax the rich or r form campaign finances, to name just three things. It seems leftwing only because of what went before (and after it)

Your native Germany: with it's high minimum wage and strong worker protections, is more social democratic than Biden's US.

As if saying that policies of the US state directly impact the fate of the west, I wouldn't disagree. My point was about the west being in relative decline (statistically irrefutable) and the causal relationship between the rest of the world's bargaining position and the position of the west.

Speaking of which, real wages and living standards in Britain and America have stagnated since the 70s. Germany had a longer run due to its strategic position in the heart of Europe and export manufacturing economy. That is now well in decline though


The regular high growth we once saw is never coming back.
22Michelle · 61-69, T
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Interesting reading, but I have to comment. Trying to describe any US President, or their policies as lsft wing only reinforces the fact that compared to the rest of the world the Democrats are at best / worst centre right, the Republicans have moved from right wing to extreme right wing. Neoliberal is just a cover for what is in reality Fascist ideology.
22Michelle · 61-69, T
@22Michelle Nb I neglected the move of the Republicans in the 1980's to largely forget about policies and concentrate on winning at all costs. And mostly this meant going negative by trashing the opposition by largely using right wing friendly media. A steategy that has been copied by the UK Conservative party. A side effect has been the destruction of trust in politicians, not all of it undeserved.
Another issue is the growing impatience of the electorate. The demand for "change" without actually being able to define what that "change" should mean. Various politicians have turbo charged this desire to the point where lying has been normalised. Thus we now have Trump, the serial liar, but his supporters not only don't care that he lies, they defendthe lies.
CedricH · M
@Burnley123 No, if you‘re spending $1.9 trillion on a stimulus, $280 billion on industrial policy for semiconductors, and another $1.2 billion on public infrastructure and another estimated $740 billion (though potentially more) on climate and healthcare subsidies then that’s a pivot to a level of economic populism that exceeds even the economic populism of the European center-left. The same can be said about Biden‘s protectionist and economically nationalist policies. Keeping Trumpian tariffs, levying new tariffs on a broad range of goods, introducing local content rules, blocking friendly foreign investments, eschewed all FTO negotiations, further undermining the WTO, expanding Buy America requirements - all of it goes beyond social democratic positions in Europe.

Then you‘ve got the attempt to cancel $400 billion in student debt. Some of which actually did materalize though the plan eventually failed due to its unconstitutionality. Combining the various relief efforts, by early 2024, the Biden administration had canceled over $75 billion in student debt for nearly 1.5 million borrowers. The initially planned BBB had a price tag of over $3.5 trillion and aimed to restructure the entire US economy and welfare system. It also included a provision that would’ve raised the minimum wage to $15 per hour.
Moreover, Biden imposed record-level regulations, an eviction moratorium and contemplated rental price regulations (à la Europe) and actually implemented de facto price regulations for certain drugs.
He actively cheered on and promoted union influence, attached discriminatory union-requirements (or even childcare requirements) to industrial policy and public projects while supporting right to organize laws. Biden‘s EPA tried to regulate conventional energies and the internal combustion engine out of existence.
On top of that, the FTC under Lina Khan moved away from the consumer welfare standard, thus undermining and politicizing antitrust rules and enforcement.

A neoliberal, like myself, would disagree with all of it. Except perhaps the spending on public infrastructure if it hadn’t been riddled with inefficient obligations. So that‘s a massive break. And it goes beyond the type of left-leaning populism one would find among European social democrats.

But the country, as a whole, is still more economically free and thus more dynamic than most of Europe. And believe me, I‘m painfully aware of the extent of Europe‘s and Germany‘s excessive and inefficient welfare states, the preventative antitrust rules, the intrusive level of social and sectoral regulations, the masochistic energy and climate policy, the sclerotic labor laws, the presence of distortive and cartel-like unions, the underdeveloped financial markets (with the exception of London), the punitively high tax rates and the statist public spending to GDP ratios.
If you‘re looking for reasons that can explain Europe‘s stagnation in economic and productivity growth or technological innovation, look no further.

As for tax the rich, the Biden administration and the Democrats on the Hill actually tried to do exactly that but their thin majorities complicated the effort to raise income taxes or corporate taxes, however, they did introduce a harmful 15% minimum corporate tax on book income which effectively reduces deductions and or credits for depreciating capital investments. In addition to that, they introduced a gimmicky and completely populist stock-buy-back tax and spent more on IRS enforcement to extract more taxes (from the “rich” and the middle class).


You‘re dead wrong on both real wages and living standards. Especially as far as the US is concerned. In fact, real median household income has gradually increased in the US and real wages recovered from their steep fall in the 1970s a decline that was precipitated by the lack of structural reforms and inflationary spending - as in many European countries.



As for the West‘s declining share of global GDP, that may be a statistical fact but thanks to the strategic, military, technological and geographical superiority of the liberal world order, that relative decline is not really of any grave concern. The wealth advantage the West has over emerging and developing economies is astronomical and the so called Global South is anything but united or organized.
Whether or not the world order will remain unipolar and blessed with Pax Americana depends on Washington, and no one else.

(Finally, countries that are more neoliberal than the US: Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Taiwan, Ireland, Switzerland)
@22Michelle I completely agree. That is why I criticize the OP. It is a toned down version of the Obama is a Maoist claim.
@CedricH Now that I have some time lets unpack this. Government investment in strategic businesses and infrastructure has been a thing since the founding of the US. In fact it is a thing in all governments everywhere. So that is meaningless and says nothing at all about neoliberalism. And investment in climate change and healthcare is entirely neoliberal based on the ideological idea that social ills can be solved by private enterprises and it is the job of the government to facilitate that. You would only have a point here if the US had public healthcare like the rest of the developed world. Tariffs and manipulating WTO rules is also nothing new. The Bush Administration did that for something as petty as punishing Canada for not deploying troops to Iraq in 2003 (with lumber tariffs) and the US has been trying to use WTO rules to force Canada to privatize our healthcare system my entire life. None of this is remotely different and do not come anywhere close to European social democracy....which also operates within a neo liberal framework FYI. The Washington Consensus has ruled the "western" world since the late 70s.

MMT is also a red herring. WIthin neo liberalism the west has gone from Keynsianism to Chicago School, and now MMT is a more accurate take on monetary policy but none of these shifts have fundamentally changed anything at least ideologically or in terms of domestic impact.

As for student debt. The vast majority is held by the US government so they can do what they please with it. The court ruling was conservative judicial activism.

BBB is irrelevant because it never happened and regulation has nothing to do with neoliberalism. Levels of regulation have fluctuated all over for the last half century of neoliberal hegemony.

On unions the US has a 10% unionized workforce so that is a red herring. Unions have not been relevant in the US in half a century.


And just because the GOP want to make an engine type their entire personality it does not make the standard regulation of any vehicles in a country suddenly an ideological shift for the Democrats.


You seem to have missed the fact that both Thatcher and Tony Blair were neoliberals.

You are trying to do the American "neo con" thing and try and make it two separate ideologies because you don't understand that neoliberalism as an ideology really doesn't say much at all on social views.
CedricH · M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow You have no idea what you’re talking about.

Your logic is plainly childish.
And it goes like this: you claim that the US in general and over the ages has been neoliberal (which is false and unsubstantiated), hence any US policy mistake in the past - such as industrial policies under Hamilton, or tariffs by Bush - which were negligible by comparison to what followed under Biden and Trump, or regulations are axiomatically neoliberal.

Well, yes regulations ebbed and flowed. They flowed under Woodrow Wilson who wasn’t pursuing a neoliberal - but a progressive domestic policy. But you don’t see any differences. You can’t see any nuances. Because you don’t understand specific definitions, you distort them to make them fit your worldview. Let me tell you something. Not everything that operates within a largely market -compatible framework is therefore neoliberal
Then regulations ebbed again as the Republicans took over in the 1920s who were still committed to classical liberal ideals on domestic economic policy. They flowed again under Roosevelt, who pursued social democratic and Keynesian policies, the post-war consensus was built around a high degree of regulation, whether in the Uk, New Zealand, Australia or the US.

The entire point of the advocates of actual neoliberalism - Milton Friedman, George Stigler and Friedrich von Hayek - was to overcome that social democratic and Keynesian consensus.
And as soon as Thatcher, Reagan, Roger in NZ et al. aligned with that neoliberal school of thought, sectoral regulations ebbed again. What a coincidence.

In many ways neoliberalism is the rejuvenation and revival of the classical liberalism and utilitarianism of the 19th and 18th century and crafted on the basis of neoclassical economics and monetarism. Neoliberal policy preferences are cogently laid out in the Washington Consensus.

On unions the US has a 10% unionized workforce so that is a red herring. Unions have not been relevant in the US in half a century.

So this is a good example to demonstrate the emptiness of your own argument in a way even you‘d understand.

I was explaining why Biden‘s policies were now a reversal of neoliberal policies of the past four decades. I wasn’t saying that they suddenly turned the US into France or peronist Argentina. So you‘re ranting is just delusional nonsense. You‘re saying Biden‘s policy XYZ can‘t be neoliberal because it didn’t go through Congress or because it didn’t turn the US into a social market economy but that’s irrelevant it is beside the point. That doesn’t need to happen. The agenda can still be inherently contradictory of neoliberal thought. But you don’t understand neoliberal thought.

As for student debt. The vast majority is held by the US government so they can do what they please with it

Another wholly confused statement. Well, once the US taxes someone or takes on debt, the government can do whatever it wants with the money. That doesn’t make taxing or taking on debt a neoliberal policy. So again one of your many moot points. A neoliberal policy would’ve been to make people pay back their loans. Pretty simple. Anything else would be an indirect welfare payment which neoliberals would prefer to limit and reduce in favor of greater self-reliance, personal autonomy and individual responsibility.

(Footnote: Using the WTO or FTAs to privatize foreign public services or utilities is highly neoliberal and I entirely support it - not something Biden did though)
@CedricH And all you have is childish insults. Predictable.

It is not just me claiming the west has been neoliberal since the 70s. That is simply a fact. You deciding to rewrite history to suit your feelings doesn't change that.

Wilson is a non sequitur. Next.


Dude. You just mash together a random list of pro capitalist economists, that even disagree with each other. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Chicago and Austrian schools of economics are not the same just because your feelings want them to be.



Actually that is exactly what you claimed that Biden turned the US into France and you wildly exaggerate minor changes to do it.



And great job proving you don't even understand the difference between public and private debt.


It is also telling you cannot refute a single argument I made.
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@CedricH No, you threw insults and made snide comments about two partial statements cut out of context.

And again all you have is childish insults.
CedricH · M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Apparently you‘re impervious to logic reasoning. Have a nice day.
@CedricH And more childish insults. Thanks for proving my point.