The far right Trump administration

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Orban is conservative autocrat.

@Spotpot The problem with that is in the western media that is just a term for literally anyone who is not anti Russian regardless of ideology and without evidence.

I mean sure. He is a conservative and not my cup of tea. But leftists who are not rabidly anti Russian are getting the same labels.

It is about designating "us vs them" and seems to have very little with anyone's actual politics is my point.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow You trust Hungarian
Orban media more then independent Western media

@Spotpot There is no such thing as independent western media. There has not been for probably 40 years.

And we know western media spent 20 years straight up lying. But fools trust them like someone who trusts a serial cheater that this time they will be faithful based on wishful thinking.

And I don't speak Hungarian so I don't rely on his media either.

And if you look at when he started getting this label the following things happened.

-He refused to sign on to WW3 and risk nuclear war just to advance American interests.

- He pointed out that Europe is dependent on Russia for energy. Which is just a fact.

- He doesn't threaten Russia with war every other week and then hide behind Americans.

Just like Putin was "Washington's man in the Kremlin" and the west's darling until he refused to let Texas oil oligarchs to steal the entire Russian oil industry.

If you look up old articles from 2004 the coverage turns on a dime overnight.

I am not a fan of conservatives in general. But I am also a realist. Inventing narratives and policy based on propaganda is how we are in this idiotic situation where peace is now considered treason, and diplomacy is appeasement.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow AfD politician Björn Höcke is accused of whitewashing German history by criticising a Holocaust memorial in Berlin, saying, “We Germans — our people are the only people in the world to have planted a monument of shame in the heart of its capital. We need nothing less than a 180-degree turnaround in the politics of remembrance.” In other words, he wants to bury the history of Nazi atrocities. He's been charged and found guilty, twice, for utilising slogans used by Hitler's SA stormtroopers, something deemed illegal in Germany. They are Nazis and Musk appeared by video link to promote the AfD at the recent German elections. If it quacks like a duck....

@Richard65 It is entirely possible there is that element in the AFD. It just seemed like a stretch with the party being a splinter group of the CDU formerly led by Angela Merkel.

Then again the GOP and the Conservative Party of Canada also has far right elements.

As for the leader's comments that is alot of speculation based on a single comment. The current politics of remembrance does have aspects that are toxic and politically inconvenient like a blanket unconditional support for the Israeli Government for decades.

So a conversation definitely does need to happen on that subject.

And as for slogans. Those seem to be selective in terms of what gets condemned. Case in point

Half the people blindly supporting the proxy war in Ukraine who don't know shit about the country have

Slava Ukraini as a tagline or blindly repeat it and that was the slogan of Ukrainian fascists from the OUN-B to the Waffen SS Galicia.

And that gets you praise and admiration around here.

I would be willing to bet half the people throwing that around have no idea who Stepan Bandera and Roman Shukhevych were or what they are putting their support behind with that slogan.

And based on my own understanding of German law. If they were a nazi party how exactly are they not all in prison? Serious question there.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow they aren't an overt Nazi party, they are too careful (more or less) to go full Nazi, especially in Germany, where the law is strict. But, they haven't thrown Höcke out, so that speaks volumes about their sympathies. Plus, stating strongly that a Holocaust memorial needs removing and the remembrance of the genocide needs to be turned 180°, effectively means he wants it to be whitewashed. What else does that statement mean coming from a guy who ALSO likes spouting SA slogans? You're being disingenuous over the facts and what they mean to anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear. The German authorities are wrong to blindly support the Israeli State's war crimes because of their previous history, but that's not really Höcke's focus here, he wants to whitewash the Nazi's genocide, because it's the one huge hurdle far right Nazis can't excuse, so they choose to deny it happened or they seek to bury any mention of it. The AfD walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

@Richard65 What is also interesting is the support for the Japanese empire in Japan is completely ignored in service of American interests in Asia.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow and all I see is you being disingenuous once again. A leader of a far right German political party who is charged twice for proclaiming SA slogans in public and says Holocaust memorials should be removed and the history of the Holocaust should be remembered as being the opposite of historical fact is an "assumption" of mine? 😄
Ok. Says the guy who admits he doesn't know much about the AfD...🙄

@Richard65 I am not. But pretending I am being disengenuous gives you an out to just ignore any criticism of your position.

Again. You are talking about the actions of a single individual.

You completely ignored the historical facts I pointed out.

Based on your own criteria the Liberal Party of Canada is a nazi party because Justin Trudeau made a literal nazi war criminal (wanted for war crimes in Poland) a national hero and the criminal was given a standing ovation by the Canadian parliament.


All I am saying is there is a big leap between a leader taking a really bad position and painting that as the politics of an entire party. That requires a higher burden of proof.

@Richard65 I will also point out the person you singled out has never held the party leadership at any point and is currently held by someone who is from a moderate faction.

So if anyone is being disingenuous it seems like that would be you.

Finding the one most extreme weirdo in the party with no say on party policy and pretend they run the party's ideological positions.

In fact if you had included the entire conversation where that statement on the holocaust memorial comes from you would see it was this one idiot lashing out against the actual leader of the party who has very different views.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow from what I understand, they didn't know that individual was a Nazi war criminal and apologised after the fact came out. Höcke didn’t apologise. Plus, did the Liberals state that historical crimes against humanity ought to be whitewashed and Holocaust memorials removed? Höcke has been the sole leader of the party's far-right Der Flügel faction, which the German government's Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution declared a suspected right-wing extremist organization. He has consistently shown his true affiliations. If someone insists on showing you who they really are, then you should believe them and recognise it! In any other country, such as England, anyone with such sympathies would be thrown out immediately. You're just denying reality to try and make your square peg fit into a round hole. You clearly ARE being disingenuous. If you can't accept the truth of the AfD, then there's little point in continuing this.

@Richard65 The AFD actually has two leaders currently. Neither of them are this individual.

Tino Chrupalla is a bog standard boring "tough on crime" conservative and Alice Weidel is mildly concerning only because she takes Austrian economics seriously.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow you're simply scratching the surface without looking at what is really happening in Germany and what the AfD's agenda really is. First, you said I'd misunderstood the facts and I was making assumptions. Then, I'm guessing you read up on it a bit more after admitting you didn't know anything about the AfD. You saw what Höcke is, so then you were forced to alter your stance to suggest he was just a fringe weirdo who had no influence.

The German MDR program "FAKT" reported on this topic on February 25, 2025 at 8:15 p.m.
Translation:

While Höcke was initially considered a radical outsider within the AfD, direct or at least indirect support from Höcke's circle is now necessary to advance in the party, explains Anna-Sophie Heinze, a political scientist researching the AfD in parliaments at the University of Trier.Co-party leader Alice Weidel also explicitly addressed Björn Höcke at the last party conference and thanked him. A few years ago, such a thing would have been unthinkable. It shows where things are headed and "who determines the direction of the content," Heinze said. Right-wing extremists in the middle Robert Teske and Torben Braga are two young, up-and-coming figures under Björn Höcke. Both have extremist backgrounds. Teske is associated with the nationalist wing, demonstrated alongside right-wing extremists of the Identitarian Movement, and led the Young Alternative in Bremen until 2019, which was early on monitored by the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution due to its open racism.Torben Braga comes from a right-wing extremist fraternity and, in 2015, headed an umbrella organization that included several groups monitored by the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution. In the interview, Braga is friendly and courteous, thinking carefully before answering.The 33-year-old is considered Höcke's strategic puppet master. Observers also attribute Kemmerich's 2020 election and the resulting constitutional crisis to him, among others.

There are currently no incentives for the AfD to de-radicalize, says political scientist Heinze. Rather, the opposite is true. The party is no longer divided into moderate and radical, but into radical and openly right-wing extremist. Unsurprisingly, Torben Braga also rejects the idea of excluding extremist forces from the party, even if this would make the AfD more capable of forming a coalition: It would be insane "if we were to say we were expelling parts of our party." If they were to split off parts that others deemed too extremist, then "we would be separating ourselves to some extent from our positions, our ideals, and our personnel," Braga said. Personnel that, despite their extremist ties, are now moving into the Bundestag with a powerful tailwind.

@Richard65 No I am stating facts and I caught you trying to deliberately misrepresent this group. You obviously have misunderstood nothing and are just being deliberately dishonest at this point.


Again. This Hocke person you are fixated on is irrelevant. They are not a leader and just some random in the party. You want to pretend otherwise because they are the one person that fights your narrative.

I didn't have to alter anything. He is a random weirdo in the party that has never at any point bee a leader of anything.

I mean if I had an agenda like you I could probably find in the thousands of members some random lunatic in the British Tory party and pretend they are a leader and representative of the Conservative Party in Britain.

That doesn't make it true.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow again, you're just being disingenuous. Your reading the politics and not the realpolitik. You just can't accept I'm right, so you play down what's really going on. The Conservative Party does have lunatics in their ranks, and one of them, Badenoch, has currently been voted in as the leader of the party. There's something else you've completely misunderstood 😄
You say I misrepresent Höcke, despite me posting what German political experts say about him and his influence. It's pointless continuing this with you.