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Roundandroundwego · 61-69
It's not important if it was a set up.
beckyromero · 36-40, FVIP
@Roundandroundwego
Yes, it is actually. Because the more people who realize that, the more pressure Trump and Vance will feel to clean up the mess of their own doing.
Yes, it is actually. Because the more people who realize that, the more pressure Trump and Vance will feel to clean up the mess of their own doing.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@beckyromero it's getting the ceasefire going. It's helping the US to exit the fun. Dems hate ending wars, but wars end!
SinlessOnslaught · M
@Roundandroundwego Will the people who are trying to destroy an entire country stop because someone signed a piece of paper?
beckyromero · 36-40, FVIP
@Roundandroundwego
I take it that you think the United States was wrong during World War II to supply the Soviet Union with:
400,000 trucks
13,000 tanks
14,000 aircraft
8,000 tractors
4.5 million tons of food, including canned meats, sugar, flour, and salt
2.7 million tons of petroleum products, including gasoline and oil
15 million pairs of army boots, millions of blankets, and uniforms
Not to mention all sorts of guns, ammunition, explosives, copper, steel, aluminum, medicine, field radios, radar tools, books, and cotton.
All told in 2020 dollars, the equivalent of around US $608 billion.
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"I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war. The most important things in this war are the machines.... The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war."
- Josef Stalin
General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, 1922-1952
"If the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war. One-on-one against Hitler's Germany, we would not have withstood its onslaught and would have lost the war."
- Nikita Khrushchev
First Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, 1953-1964
I take it that you think the United States was wrong during World War II to supply the Soviet Union with:
400,000 trucks
13,000 tanks
14,000 aircraft
8,000 tractors
4.5 million tons of food, including canned meats, sugar, flour, and salt
2.7 million tons of petroleum products, including gasoline and oil
15 million pairs of army boots, millions of blankets, and uniforms
Not to mention all sorts of guns, ammunition, explosives, copper, steel, aluminum, medicine, field radios, radar tools, books, and cotton.
All told in 2020 dollars, the equivalent of around US $608 billion.
---
"I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war. The most important things in this war are the machines.... The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war."
- Josef Stalin
General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, 1922-1952
"If the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war. One-on-one against Hitler's Germany, we would not have withstood its onslaught and would have lost the war."
- Nikita Khrushchev
First Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, 1953-1964
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@beckyromero yes, war is crime. True commies were always anti war.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@SinlessOnslaught it's a possibility - peace takes work and everywhere people understand that weapons are profitable and that media makes wars happen for the ownership. Nobody thinks peace is acceptable to any Western aggressors or mainstream thinkers - after all, the West killed communism and can't permit pacifist politics!
SinlessOnslaught · M
@Roundandroundwego "It's a possibility" is not enough. Create a world in your head where Mexico demands our resources, fires missiles at us, and physically attacks us on a military scale at the border, and one of our major allies was just like, "Meh, it's not important to us." You would have smoke coming out of your ears.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@SinlessOnslaught like I said - nobody thinks you want to negotiate peace - war forever, endless hatred and meaningful revenge for ongoing atrocities. The West cannot become a silk purse, either! Genocide and ecocide and you won't change course. Nah. Great. Nobody thinks peace would make sense to you. Trump must be crazy ending a war. Yup. Not politics. Just a thing.
SinlessOnslaught · M
@Roundandroundwego Actually I've seen the aftermath of war and I never want to see it again, for anybody, at all, ever. It's worse than anything else on this planet and it's worse than anyone's imagination can conjure up. So please don't accuse me of wanting more of that. I fear for the women and children in Ukraine. The Russians have been caught on tapped phone calls saying they will r**e Ukrainian women. Russia has no public record of military personnel, casualties, nor kills, meanwhile Ukraine and even US sources overseas are reporting attacks on Ukrainian civilians regularly. Real war crimes committed against real people. Ukrainians freeze in their own homes because Russia strikes civilian power plants with houses and schools near them, leaving people for miles without heat in the NORTHEASTERN WINTER. They starve because the Ukrainian hryvni is worth a SMALL FRACTION compared the US dollar. They are dying in their own homes and being told to give up their resources that they already struggle to keep. I don't know how you came to the conclusion that I want more of that. I was trying to draw a parallel that you could relate to and you just insulted me. Are YOU interested in anything other than aggression here? Because that might be telling of your general motives.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@SinlessOnslaught Well said, sir!
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Roundandroundwego
Your (supposed) leaders behave like mafiosi shaking down a small businessman and you think that's 'not important'??
It's not important if it was a set up
Your (supposed) leaders behave like mafiosi shaking down a small businessman and you think that's 'not important'??
SinlessOnslaught · M
@newjaninev2 I think I share too much online sometimes lol
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Roundandroundwego
And what exactly has your pretend-president done to foster peace? He has aligned america with the brutal russian régime, refused to criticise putin, blamed the victim of Russia's aggression, and acted as if moral leadership and the international rule of law are somehow subordinate to his imaginary 'business acumen'.
America is no longer the leader of the Free World, and now I'm not sure if it even qualifies as a member.
peace takes work
And what exactly has your pretend-president done to foster peace? He has aligned america with the brutal russian régime, refused to criticise putin, blamed the victim of Russia's aggression, and acted as if moral leadership and the international rule of law are somehow subordinate to his imaginary 'business acumen'.
America is no longer the leader of the Free World, and now I'm not sure if it even qualifies as a member.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@SinlessOnslaught It's better than being tacitly acquiescent.
SinlessOnslaught · M
@newjaninev2 I've never heard that phrase before. Had to look it up.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@newjaninev2 peace is most likely when people build trust and can depend on each other, no matter what vicious critique of Trump comes from the war Dems. Peace certainly didn't concern nobody here but me, alone, enemy of the group of bipartisan normal users. Peace never was popular, peace concerns only myself. But y'know that! No reason to care about building peace, right?