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There was a brawl in the Oval office today

Between Zelensky and Trump + Vance.

It seems like Zelensky came out empty handed. What will be the fate of Ukraine then ?
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pdockal · 56-60, M
Before Ukraine became an independent country in 1991, it was part of the Russian Empire, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, and the Soviet Union.
To date, we have provided $65.9 billion in military assistance since Russia launched its premeditated, unprovoked, and brutal full-scale invasion of Ukraine on February 24, 2022, and approximately $69.2 billion in military assistance since Russia's initial invasion of Ukraine in 2014.

When is enough ? Shouldnt we take care of internal matters before we send money we dont have ??????
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nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
@pdockal Exactly
@pdockal You, and Putin, seem to be forgetting a three way treaty known as the 1994 Budapest Memorandum.

Essentially, Ukraine agreed to give up all its nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for safety from a U.S. or Russian invasion. Russia's invasion of Ukraine violates that treaty. And as a signatory to that 1994 Budapest Memorandum, the U.S. has a definite interest in righting Putin's current wrongs.

In the final version of the deal, Russia promised not to attack Ukraine. While the U.S. and the U.K. assured Ukraine they would aid if it was attacked by Russia, that promised aid did not guarantee military support like a NATO country would receive.

In 2009, Russia and the U.S. announced that the assurances in the Budapest Memorandum would continue to remain in effect in the future.
https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/global-conflicts/ukraine-agreed-to-give-up-nukes-in-exchange-for-safety-from-russia-invasion-attack-budapest-memorandum-treaty/536-8748a51f-10ee-47f0-be30-b4088750ee44

Russia promised specifically NOT to invade Ukraine, and the U.S. promised specifically to ASSIST Ukraine if the treaty were ever violated. And that's what the U.S. had been doing until now, when tRump switched to appeasement.
WintaTheAngle · 41-45, M
I’ve watched the coverage. It looks like it was pre planned to provoke the Ukrainian president so that they could please their Russian sponsors.
@WintaTheAngle There was a Russian reporter from Tass present in the pval office
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@WintaTheAngle it was two mafiosi trying to shake down a small-business owner.

They failed.

President Musk let pretend-president trump do it because his poodle cannot resist publicity and the chance to steal glory. He sent john vance along as trump's minder, but the two muppets made a complete hash of it.

trump lied and vance blustered.

america's shame on global display.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
I mean..he's gonna need to make a deal...what's his other options? Hope Europe foots the bill? I doubt that is happening...
badminton · 61-69, MVIP
There is strong evidence that Trump is a Russian asset. He may have been recruited by the Russians in the 1980s.
badminton · 61-69, MVIP
@SumKindaMunster https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/29/trump-russia-asset-claims-former-kgb-spy-new-book

https://www.aber.ac.uk/en/news/archive/2021/02/title-240459-en.html

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/47630
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@badminton A Facebook post like I said:

Although the credibility of the “Steele dossier” has been vehemently contested by Trump supporters, especially for its use of anonymous sources, Mussayev confirms the existence of kompromat on Trump. In a Facebook post from Feb. 18, 2018, the former Kazakh spy chief who now resides in Vienna, Austria, wrote:
JamesBugman · 56-60, T
@SumKindaMunster I believe SumKindaMunster is also a Russian agent, that is why he spills nonsense and confusion every chance he gets.
DonaldTrumpet · 70-79, M
who CarEz AboUtz frEEDoMz
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
Europe and Canada and the allies will have to defend Ukraine against the US and Russia.
dubum · 51-55, M
@JimboSaturn Will they be able to without support from the U.S, the most powerful military in the world ?
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
@dubum I doubt that the US will invade Ukraine, but I think the allies can beat Russia.
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Bullying, while ripping off a president of a country under siege, be proud Americans, be very proud, cause you are the shame of the world
TrashCat · M
@Thewhazzupdude I am not proud. I amm more ashamed everyday of my country
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nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
Some Americans are beginning to not really care.....
Idk but DJT should join Putin in the docks of the ICJ for breaking the treaty...
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