Europe to boot US out of NATO?

Donald Trump's announcement of the start of negotiations on Ukraine with Putin in a phone call sent shockwaves through European capitals. Any settlement in Ukraine will have ramifications for Europe's own security. France, Germany and Spain insisted that any peace deal in Ukraine could not be achieved without the involvement of European partners.

US defense chief, Hegseth, said it was Europe's responsibility to stop the Russian "war machine". Ukraine's dream of returning to its pre-2014 borders was an "illusionary goal" – and that Kyiv's wish for NATO membership was "not realistic".

This is payback time for disrespecting and ripping off the USA.

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SunshineGirl · 36-40, F

Shockwaves? Do you seriously think that European nations have not been planning for such an eventuality for years? Trump's alleged ability to "shock" is rapidly diminishing. He will find geopolitics rather more complicated than whatever he was previously doing for a living.

Oh, and his little sidekick has been rebuked for talking out of turn and suggesting that Ukraine would be excluded from any peace talks.

On the subject of "rip offs", there is quite a lot of rent and political goodwill owing from the special access America has enjoyed from occupying military bases on UK territory around the world.

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@SunshineGirl That is a good point. The tacit and unspoken agreement was that America spent more money for more power within NATO and the UN.