Europe to boot US out of NATO?

Donald Trump's announcement of the start of negotiations on Ukraine with Putin in a phone call sent shockwaves through European capitals. Any settlement in Ukraine will have ramifications for Europe's own security. France, Germany and Spain insisted that any peace deal in Ukraine could not be achieved without the involvement of European partners.

US defense chief, Hegseth, said it was Europe's responsibility to stop the Russian "war machine". Ukraine's dream of returning to its pre-2014 borders was an "illusionary goal" – and that Kyiv's wish for NATO membership was "not realistic".

This is payback time for disrespecting and ripping off the USA.

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Burnley123 · 41-45, M

It would be like booting Batman out of the Bat Cave.

Not saying it shouldn't happen btw but this feels like a weird place.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@Burnley123

Not saying it shouldn't happen btw but this feels like a weird place.

Where is "this"?

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@sree251 The US created NATO as a system of alliances that it led for it's geopolitical interests.

This place is here and now: America doesn't want alliances.

ffony · M

@sree251

Where is "this"?

I think he means sree-ville

Elessar · 26-30, M

@Burnley123 It would chance nothing in practice if Europe/Canada/ANZAC created a new alliance or if the USA quit the existing one, it'll be just a formality in the end

The only difference is the amount of paperwork work that'll be required to establish a new alliance, so if they leave they'll make it easier for the rest of us

As I said before, this is clearly their Brexit 😅

independentone · M

@Elessar Speaking of Brexit, California, Oregon and Washington should take Canada's offer seriously and secede the US and become part of Canada.

Elessar · 26-30, M

@independentone Secession/splintering is literally Trump's long term game

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin

independentone · M

@Elessar If Ca and Wash were to secede, and take their tax money with them, the US would be broke and even below a 3rd world country.

Elessar · 26-30, M

@independentone They don't care about the US, they actually want to dismantle it, if it isn't clear enough

This is the fall of the USSR: freedumb edition. Once the Soviet union collapsed the elites seizes all what could be taken and became an oligarchy. Trump and friends want exactly the same.

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