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[Politics] How Trump is changing the constitution without going through the constitutional process?

This is being done through the interpretation of the words in the Constitution rather than changing the words in Constitution.

Now I must say this likely will be challenged in the supreme court, yet is there any doubt how this REPUBLICAN supreme Court will rule?

Trump just signed this CONSTITUTIONAL interpretation through executive order. Basically dictatorially.

It has no governor approval much less ¾ of the governors. It has no Congressional approval, much ⅔rds of Congress which is required by the Constitution.

I will only give the first few paragraphs of this interpretational law. The link is given to the online document.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/protecting-the-meaning-and-value-of-american-citizenship/
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered:

Section 1. Purpose. The privilege of United States citizenship is a priceless and profound gift. The Fourteenth Amendment states: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” That provision rightly repudiated the Supreme Court of the United States’s shameful decision in Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. (19 How.) 393 (1857), which misinterpreted the Constitution as permanently excluding people of African descent from eligibility for United States citizenship solely based on their race.

But the Fourteenth Amendment has never been interpreted to extend citizenship universally to everyone born within the United States. The Fourteenth Amendment has always excluded from birthright citizenship persons who were born in the United States but not “subject to the jurisdiction thereof.” Consistent with this understanding, the Congress has further specified through legislation that “a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” is a national and citizen of the United States at birth, 8 U.S.C. 1401, generally mirroring the Fourteenth Amendment’s text.

Now how soon will this supreme Court will delay on even hearing the objections? It's the law of the land until they do!







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sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
"... yet is there any doubt how this REPUBLICAN supreme Court will rule?"
Well since they've already ruled against him, I'd say it is uncertain how they will rule on any case until they hear the case.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@sarabee1995 once and only once. The rest they abstained from ruling. Because the ruling was already for him.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@DeWayfarer They've ruled against President Trump and/or the Republican position more than once.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@sarabee1995 must disagree. They have not ruled multiple times.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@DeWayfarer
- TikTok
- Keefer, Dawn, et al. v. Biden (SCOTUS ruled against Repub's seeking to overturn Biden's exec order regarding voter registration)
- 2023 North Carolina Gerrymandering case
- Marriage equality

I could go on. There have been many under Roberts.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@sarabee1995 please go on and ask why they didn't rule on other portions of the suit.

They rule like a line item vote. By ignoring portions of the suit.

See the descents BTW.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@DeWayfarer Are you now moving the goalposts? You said they ruled against the Republican position once and only once. That is a demonstrably false statement (and that's all I said), most notably with the marriage equality decision. And there are many examples like that on the Roberts court.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@sarabee1995 The Constitution should never be interpreted! Especially when multiple rulings back it up!

No court of law allows double jeopardy. So no supreme Court should allow it either!

To do anything else is the law writing the constitution. Not the people.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@DeWayfarer When you read the words I am writing right now, you interpret their meaning according to your understanding of the words I use. Every written or spoken word is interpreted by the recipient. 🙄

Double jeopardy? Do you even know what that means? Who here has been charged and/or put on trial twice?

Why are you continually changing the subject? You said the current SCOTUS only ruled against the Republicans once and only once. I said that is false and gave examples. I'm not interested in your expanded conversation if you're not even going to acknowledge this one obvious error. There would be no point.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@sarabee1995 I already once above said I disagree.

You're not going to convince me otherwise. This could have ended then.

Just by that you are not understanding my words.

It's not a matter of interpretation. It's a matter of understanding what is and what is not there. The whole thing.

I could get into what interpretation is biblically. Yet that would be off topic as well as irrelevant.

Just that I do have some understanding and experience in what interpretation is.

The Bible is probably the most badly interpreted thing in the world.

The constitution is a legal document. Written by lawyers though. Exactness is a lawyers frame of mind. Not interpretation. It's either there somewhere the document or it's not there somewhere in the document.

This was once the conservative point of view. Until they started omitting stuff. Like not ruling on things in legal law suits or not using the whole constitution. Therefore they are interpreting.

I have said this before somewhere below. You must consider the whole document. Not parts of a document. Anything less is interpretation which should not be legally binding. It's not exact. It doesn't reflect the whole document. Whether it's a WHOLE lawsuit or the WHOLE constitution.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@DeWayfarer Okay so based on what you just said, you're in the camp that believes the Constitution is silent on abortion and therefore it is a state issue. Right?
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@sarabee1995 I do believe abortion should be a constitutional right.

The Constitution was designed to change. Not to be INTERPRETED!

There are things in the constitution that I as well believe need to be removed!

The tenth amendment being the top priority. Before anything else.

A state is not a person that can have RIGHTS!

That's utter nonsense!

A state is a concept. Not an individual with rights!

To give rights to a concept they could give their GOD rights in priority over people.

The whole principle of concepts having rights is utter nonsense.

A total fantasy not based on reality.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@DeWayfarer The 13 colonies, after the Revolution, were independent sovereign States loosely associated through the Articles of Confederation.

The Constitution is a contact between and among the several States of the United States.

Each State is a legal entity with a government and the right to collect revenue, make laws, regulate commerce. How is that a mere concept??

Lol, next time a state trooper pulls me over, I'm going to tell him he's just a concept!!! 🤣🤣🤣
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@sarabee1995 ok who is this individual that is a state?

I not saying the it's not legal I am saying it's a fantasy!

A legal fantasy.

The very concept of law is nothing more than a concept. It has no basis in reality.

Try to tax a flock of birds for migrating! Yet they are real. And you're not going to stop them from migrating.

Concepts don't have rights. Wildlife could have rights. They are real.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@DeWayfarer I never said the State was an individual. But it is a legal entity. And thirteen of them entered into a contract that created this country. If States cannot enter contracts, then we don't exist as a country because the federal government that we know of as the "United States of America" is nothing more than a contract between and among the Sovereign States.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@sarabee1995 I can care what you call the concept. It's still a concept. Concepts can not have rights.

Just because it legal doesn't make it real. God is a biblical concept the same way. And been around for thousands of years.

Does that make him real?
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@DeWayfarer I don't know why you keep bringing God into the conversation. The fact remains that States are legal entities with powers, responsibilities and (yes) rights ... no different from any Nation, Kingdom, or other legal entity.

If, as you say, States have no rights, then how can they tell me where I can and cannot fish? How fast I can drive? How much to pay in taxes? These things all derive from their right to regulate commerce, establish laws, and raise revenue.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@sarabee1995 because it's a concept no less than your legal entity.

It's not real.

Does your state move? Does your state think? Does your state need food for itself? Does your state breathe? Does your state die? Can your state even be put in jail?

It's a concept.

Concepts can not have rights!

You can say all of that for geese though.