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How do you judge which side has popular appeal in a war-zone?

It's necessarily a tough question to answer because truth is the first casualty of war, information is hard to find and no voting is going to happen when tanks are rolling past. Also, a side controlling a recently contested territory, isn't going to do a referendum that anyone should trust.

I do have a theory of sorts though: If a side has an volunteer army prepared to put bodies on the line and a local population prepared to support it, then it's a regime with some serious popular appeal.

Someone asked if Assad was popular in Syria. He clearly wasn't, given how quickly his regime collapsed after a major defeat. Like them or not, the rebels against his regime kept fighting long after they'd seemingly lost the war in 2019 and has been reduced to guerillas on the fringes of their country. Guerillas can only survive at all as long as local people support their cause so they clearly have (at least) regional hegemony.

It's similar with the Taliban in Afghanistan. The western military was never able to take them out because rural Afghan communities hid them, fed them and supported them. For contrast, the well-founded pro-western army lost as soon as American military left the country.


People who say that Ukrainians resisting Russia are mere tools of western imperialism are wrong by this hypothesis. Why would they keep fighting and dying in a war they are losing if they didn't care about Ukrainian nationalism? Zelensky would win an election against a pro-putin Ukrainian. The people's reaction to the war tells us that.

Obviously there are other geopolitical issues in all these conflicts and my own opinions are different. Though I do think my general hypothesis is true.
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beckyromero · 36-40, F
In geopolitics, you should judge people by their actions not their words.

Oh, there are many cases in which you can judge people by their words instead of waiting for their actions.

You know what I mean. 😉

(Saw your comment below but couldn't reply; guess whoever you were replying to deleted their comment; one of the quirks of SW's message boards.)
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@beckyromero Yeah, when Dubya's people compared Sadam to Hitler and critics of the war to Neville chamberlain, we should have believed his words.

Actions (like no WMD ever being found) would suggest that it was a war fought on a false premise. Like most wars.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@Burnley123

I am of course referred to Mein Kampf as well as whatever you would like to call Putin's speeches pining for the reconstitution of the U.S.S.R.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@beckyromero Obviously, you know I think it's ridiculous to compare every other conflict to WW2 (as you frequently do).

I'll bite this time. Hitler's expansionist actions clearly went beyond the official stated aim of overturning the Versailles treaty, while Chamberlain was trying to appease him. So British appeasement of Hitler, kind of proves my point.

Words can match actions, as in Putin's case. Also see Israeli politicians when they are talking to domestic media.

You are a believer in words. It's why you see all American foreign policy actions as righteous and good but ignore the mountain of evidence that indicates the opposite!
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@Burnley123
You are a believer in words. It's why you see all American foreign policy actions as righteous and good but ignore the mountain of evidence that indicates the opposite!

Not all our actions have been righteous. For example, it wasn't a good idea to invade Canada.

My point is that when an adversary warns of doing something harmful, I do believe you need to take them at their word and prepare.

Example:

China says it wants to "re-unify" Taiwan with the mainland, even though the PRC never ruled over Taiwan.

It's better that Taiwan take China at its word rather than wait for China to act first.

It can be applied to non-national conflicts at well.

Many years ago I heard a story about a woman pleading with a 911 dispatcher to send help because her ex had threatened that he was heading over to her place to kill her. The dispatcher's response? "Call us when he gets there."

She never was able to make the call. Because, yes, unfortunately he killed her.