How significant is the recent escalation between NATO and Russia?

@Strictgram OK, if it doesn't happen by March 31, 2025, what will you then say?

@Strictgram Wait a minute. Trump says he will end the war in one day. What happened? Are you saying he will end the war after he is sworn in? So, Trump will end the war on January 21st. Then he can get back to building that wall that Mexico will be paying for.

@LillyOLilly Didn' you say you were leaving the country if Trump won?

@Strictgram lame (even for you) deflection attempt 😅

@LillyOLilly Trump, if he keeps his promise, will be able to end the war by stopping US military aid to Ukraine. The Europeans may try to resist, but they will not be able to fund the war without US. Europe needs its own weapons. If UK, Germany, and France insist on keeping the war going, they will become embroiled in a conflict with Russia. They will not have Trump to save the day if he keeps his word. I do believe British Prime Minister Starmer is out of touch with reality and very stupid. Macron has similar issues. However, if you cannot fund a war, you cannot fund a war. They have issues in their countries to be concerned with. The German economy is a mess. Democracy in Europe has been compromised and there is slow rebellion arising. Europeans need to be more like the Americans and take an interest in politics, resisting what their liberal elite politicians do to them. It is time for Europe to wake up and move with the times.

Zelenskyy may try to keep fighting, but you can't do this without weapons and men. They will run out of both.

@SW-User So do you want dictatorships like Russia and North Korea to infringe on a sovereign state?

@SW-User Therein lies the grand irony. While Russia has strived to become more democratic since the fall of the Berlin wall, Europe is becoming more like cold war era USSR.

The Warsaw Pact collapsed along with the soviet union, but NATO persisted and became what it was created to prevent...

Until Europeans wake up and ditch the political hegemony & "royal" elitists for good, they'll just keep escalating the events that caused the last two world wars...

@SW-User But then what will Ukraine do?

Not a sarcastic question btw, I'm really asking for your opinion.

@SinlessOnslaught They will have to bite the bullet and give up fighting. What is more important? Your life and the lives of your loved ones, or fighting until you all die for a lost cause? They need to think about getting rid of Zelenskyy and rebuilding their country.

@SW-User Let putin get away with this then other nations on his borders will also be in danger.

@tindrummer Why would Russia enter other nations? This is a proxy war.

@SW-User Sounds like kremlin disinformation and propaganda.

@SW-User Just give up?

@tindrummer Can you explain why?

@SinlessOnslaught Sometimes you have to learn to adapt. The survival of the fittest is about who can adapt best. Ukrainians can still live and be happy if they stop allowing the West to use it to weaken Russia and infiltrate Russia. There are more important things than nationalism, pride, and war.

@SW-User The russians are occupying Ukrainian land. And I don't mean the pretty kind of "occupy".

@SinlessOnslaught We have to find a solution, a realistic solution. Never ending fighting is getting Ukraine nowhere. Without direct intervention from the West, Ukraine has no chance at beating Russia. Russia has a better military, is producing weapons at a higher rate, has more men, and the soldiers know what they are fighting for. Ukraine has lost territory, and they have been encircled in Kursk. The only way they could be helped is if NATO steps in beyond these missiles. If they did this, it would cause global war, possibly nuclear war. The war stops when US stop sending weapons and Ukraine agrees to a peace plan. If it has to cede territory, it will have to be done. Most Ukrainians, almost three years into the war, want it to stop and are willing to make concessions.

@SW-User Oh trust me I know. The ukrainian people don't care about the war. Zelensky and Putin do. And some Russians, depending on who you ask. There's nothing here worth dying for to them and understandably so.

I was just thrown off when you said Ukraine needs to give up. It sounded like you meant just let Russia kill and r*** as they please.

@SW-User not to mention that NATO wouldn't last in a direct confrontation. Russia is fighting a war of attrition, the west doesn't have the stomach for it; our leaders are so worried about their political careers & re-elections that they can't hold out very long civil unrest/anti war protests & decreasing moral, even when fighting a just war (Didn't take them long to turn on Israel, which is simply defending itself; so they capitulated to a fringe group of palestinians whining in the streets...)

So basically, it's either swallow their pride and concede now; or fight a drawn out war that they can't win/have no intention of winning, only to concede later

which is basically what democrats did to us with Afghanistan, 20 years of killing terrorists only for biden to come along with his disastrous pullout, leaving the taliban in a better position than when we started... all that time, money, and lives wasted for nothing...