A question to climate deniers on here: Do you believe the markets should determine how we generate our energy?

@MrBrownstone Ah so you're a climate-denier too. And answer my question.

@SW-User You didn’t answer mine.

@MrBrownstone No such thing as climate apparently according to this guy....

@SumKindaMunster How about you answer my question? I also mentioned nothing about seasons.

@SW-User How about you clarify what you mean? Your question doesn't make any sense.

Climate change denier? Is that what you mean?

@SumKindaMunster My question is: Do you believe the markets should determine how we generate our energy? @SumKindaMunster

@MrBrownstone My question is: Do you believe market forces should determine how we generate our energy?

@SW-User I don't think it matters.For over 40 years our leaders have kicked this can down the road and only affected partial changes in the Western world. Meanwhile, China, India and Brazil pollute with abandon and they certainly aren't going to listen to the West on this issue now.

If the West truly cared about this, they would have forced the various energy companies who were responsible to pay for the cleanup.

But they won't.

But they will ask YOU to ride a bike to work, not have children, or fewer children or eat bugs.

Meanwhile they fly in private Lear jets to exotic locations to bicker how much taxes they are going to charge us to change this.

Waste of time. It's time to deal with the world as it is and is going to be. Its time to consider some radical climate changing tech like aresol to block the sun over the Pacific and Atlantic to keep the oceans cooler. It's time to cloud seed in the Western US to force more snow fall there.

@SumKindaMunster I think you're right that China, India, and Brazil are not going to be "listening to the West," as you put it, on this issues, but they are FAR from polluting with abandon, especially China. China has slashed its per capita emissions and its carbon intensity MASSIVELY in the last decade or so, and is adding more renewable energy capacity every year than the rest of the world put together. They're almost at the point, after two decades of massive emissions growth of beginning to reduce their emissions. Already!

Not that it's doing this because of some altruistic "saving the Earth" ethos; it is purely out of self-interest. And this was going to be my point about market forces. It was market forces that got us into this mess, and it's market forces that are now driving a clean energy revolution. China is positioning itself at the helm where it will profit massively.

Also, although China is an authoritarian regime, it doesn't want widespread protests about choking smog clouds either.

As for India, it's undergoing a solar revolution the like of which has not been seen (Pakistan even more so, not that it's widely reported), and Brazil has elected a president that has vowed to end logging in the Amazon by 2030, saving a not inconsiderable number of megatons of CO2 emissions.

The renewable energy revolution is unstoppable and it's going to overwhelm any efforts Trump can make to drill baby drill. Coal use dropped 40% in his first term and America's emissions trajectory remained much the same as it would have been under Hillary. Market forces will ultimately force widespread changes and may well lead people to decide to have fewer children (which they are already doing, in case you hadn't noticed), ride a bike instead of drive a car and eat bugs.

Having said that, yes, energy companies should be made to pay for the damage they have wreaked on us. But it's not gonna happen, sadly.

@SW-User
I'd love to see your sources. You are trusting, in your own words, an "authoritarian" regime and taking their word for it. China plays both ends against the middle, just like the West does.

What's your actual point? That renewals are the way of the future and fossil fuels need to be ultimately abandoned? I don't disagree...

@SumKindaMunster Regardless of China's motivations, they are nonetheless making huge strides in clean energy development and deployment. And my actual point is that the markets WILL ensure that fossil fuels will be ultimately abandoned.

@SW-User Ok so no source for your China info then.

I don't disagree that fossil fuels are on their way out...how about nuclear? You ok with nuclear? I thinks its worth adding if its safe and modernized.

@SumKindaMunster *sigh* https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-chinas-emissions-set-to-fall-in-2024-after-record-growth-in-clean-energy/

Nuclear is fine, but it has two big problems: it is extremely expensive and most new reactors take at least ten years to come online.

@SW-User Thanks. You realize these organizations have a vested interest in presenting information that supports their agenda and needs to show progress to continue to be funded, yes?

"CarbonBrief" is funded by the European Climate Foundation.

Neither of these are scientific organizations, they are NGOs.

Not saying they are wrong, but likely are presenting the data in the most beneficial way to support their agenda.

@SumKindaMunster Nevertheless, my main point is that market forces will ultimately force us to abandon fossil fuels.

@SW-User Whelp you have no argument here. That's a given.

@SumKindaMunster Then why is renewable energy uptake increasing exponentially worldwide?

And https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/carbon-brief/. Pro-science. High factual reporting.

@SW-User Dude...I was agreeing with you....🙄

@SumKindaMunster ok my man.

And also, one scientific study coming your way:

pertinent phrase "In 2019, China’s carbon emission intensity decreased by 48.1% compared with that in 2005 (National Bureau of Statistics of China (NBSC)5), achieving the reduced CI target of 40–45% by 2020 proposed during the 2009 Copenhagen Climate Change Conference. "

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-07283-4