Besides Trump, his close super advisors and superior polices, who or what is most responsible for Harris’s crushingly embarrassing loss?

@Aysel And Biden's response to that statement was "wait...she ISN"T?"

@SumKindaMunster I’m not crazy about that move either, but I think the belief was that there were a significant number of Republicans out there that weren’t wild about Trump but had never voted Democratic before and needed traditional conservative leaders to vouch that it was okay to vote for Harris this time. It probably wasn’t a smart move, but I see the logic behind it.

This should be the end of RINO’S. Those two, Mitt, Jeb and all fired Executive branch employees from Trump’s first term should be exiled. @SumKindaMunster @Theyitis

That may have been more about the chicken hawk Cheneys and their dead RINOisms. @SumKindaMunster

Damn right @ididntknow

@Motzu well I would definitely say she lost - but I'm looking at it from a historical viewpoint - 50 years ago they laughed at a woman being president...so 2 percentage points...kinda not crushing

but a loss is a loss

@Pretzel It's crushing in the sense that it happened in all the swingstates and she didn't bother for a recount, that is how the margin was. Further, Trump broke several areas that haven't voted repubkican before into voting for him.

This is very important for equalizing American politics for both parties. It used to be people would only vote on the basis of class or race, which is how prisons are self administered by the inmates. That's not good.

I like the idea of ideas dominating politics and not race and gender, and Trump upended the traditional process. For a short while Republicans in the next few elections have a chance to further flip formerly monolithic districts, and become a mega generic uniparty. This is both good and bad. Good in the sense it will give the country a period of normalization and standardization of politics based on competency, meritocracy and good ideas, but bad in that there will be very little from the outside to challenge them. I don't want what is the Democratic Party as it is currently being the opposition, but a viable opposition must exist. They will have to adopt new ideas while playing for their old base, the working class. Everyone is in a position to play for the working class right now and nobody has a monopoly on them. So in the next three presidential election cycles I expect some idealitional experimentation to occur. Which is good. Cause the Democrats need it.

I may very well vote to the Democratic nominee in 12 to 24 years from now, if they pull their heads out of their butts and stop the woke, racist, classist elitist nonsense. They need a viable and attractive platform and competent leadership. Biden and Kamala just.... not it. Bill Clinton and Obama had charisma but were horrible at foreign policy, let NATO ddcline, didn't stop the gulf war (Clinton), and let ISIS rise up and didn't solve afghanistan (Obama), and Clinton was a trainwreck as Secretary of State. We really need a complete platform change and people who have some idea of how the presidency works in on the Democratic side. The country deserves to have a choice, and in this election we really didn't get one. Everyone had to go with Trump as the default. Why he smashed the Dems. But it isn't healthy to just mindlessly back just one party- they do become Decadent over time.

@Motzu interesting take

I've heard a few (very few) takes on the election - and many times the economy seemed to be the deciding factor.

inflation went bonkers after COVID and they were blaming the current admin.

it certainly was an interesting election and I suspect it will be analyzed by historians.

Don’t forget the part about “lawns”? @Musicman

She’s a dope that will fad into isolated oblivion. @MarmeeMarch

@AbbeyRhode YES, THIS!!! 👏

Harris is done. Yay. @TexChik