No way forward for America

Having watched the smoke clear and the dust settle a little, I asked myself the question, "What happens next for America?" And there are no acceptable options. None.. America was on life support with printed currency. Chinese manufacturing and Arab oil, while the world admired the Emperors new clothes.. But thats gone now, with the government of "Evil McNasty" about to take over and bury the rotting body..America is about to become a street hooker for the few rich people left and its not going to be pretty.. And there is no escape. Even the fanciful idea of rounding up and shooting the facists before they take over is a complete betrayal of American values..America sold its place in the future of the world and it is the fault of American voters...
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/trump-is-america-not-a-fluke/

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Elessar · 26-30, M

Every empire comes with an expiry date

BohemianBabe · M

@Elessar This is true. Leftists often say that Fascism burns itself out because of the need for constant war. And yeah, maybe fascist governments end faster than liberal governments, but every country eventually goes through a huge downfall.

whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

@BohemianBabe Thats true of course.. And the same thing can be said of Communist governments.. The truth is a balance is needed to take advantage of both Capitalist and Socialist strengths, while providing checks and balances to the weaknesses. And when the balance goes out the window, the core strength of the nation goes with it. Thats why I dont believe in political ideology. I believe in economics..The numbers dont lie..😷

BohemianBabe · M

@whowasthatmaskedman Communism is anarchist, as in no government.

Socialism would be much more stable than Fascism or even Liberalism. Though there's no such thing as a perfect society, so even a socialist state would have problems and could fall.

Elessar · 26-30, M

@BohemianBabe I mean, empires had expiry dates long before capitalism was theorized. It's just a recurring pattern trat absolutely transcends economic systems.

Overconfidence, systemic corruption, internal division, the mutation of those conditions that made the rise of that empire possible, the parallel rise of other empires, political takeovers, religious takeovers are all valid, possible causes.

BohemianBabe · M

@Elessar I mean that every country, no matter which ideology it's built on, will eventually fall or at least go through some kind of revolution. If it's a giant empire, it will definitely be a fall, since empires are much harder to maintain.

whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

@BohemianBabe Yes. Keynsian economics takes in aspects of both and provides a framework as a guide. But the part everyone forgets is that what you borrow has to be paid back eventually😷

BohemianBabe · M

@whowasthatmaskedman Social Democracy is easily the best form of Capitalism. So of course I prefer Keynesian Economics to Austrian Economics. The problem is that even Social Democracy doesn't eliminate the owner-class. And as we've seen in this past election, the owner-class will always side with Fascism.

whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

@BohemianBabe Which is why the government has to side with the "people' and wealth needs to pay taxes..😷

BohemianBabe · M

@whowasthatmaskedman But under Fascism, the government doesn't side with the people. The government, being fully controlled by the upper-class, only acts in favor of the upper-class. This is why having an owner-class in the first place is bad.
This is also why I'm against the Tankie strategy of having temporary Authoritarianism. It's never temporary because once the government has full control, they start acting fully in favor of the rich and powerful.

whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

@BohemianBabe I agree with every word of that..😷

Elessar · 26-30, M

@BohemianBabe In a way, not even that is fully accurate: the upper class thinks they can control it and use it to impose themselves on the lower class, but then it always spirals out of their control in 100% of the implementations.

Look how easily members of the Russian upper class are falling from balconies, for instance. And even the leader gets to live in bunkers and is constantly afraid and skeptical of anyone they have around, because lower class and upper class alike eventually will increasingly want them dead.

It's such a well documented"nobody wins" system that you'd expect humanity as a whole would've moved out from, come 2024, but here we are. Lower class idiots voting to be enslaved and upper class idiots voting to be defenestrated, fully convinced they'll be the exception to the rule because they're special

BohemianBabe · M

@Elessar Oh yeah, nobody wins with Authoritarianism. It's not just modern Russia, there were also mass purges under Stalin.
Generally speaking, authoritarian governments only serve the rich and powerful. But in an authoritarian society, all disagreements are solved with violence, as opposed to democracy. And if we end up with a super-paranoid dictator, like Stalin or Pol Pot, ohhhhhhh boy!
Even the dictator himself isn't really safe. I think it's very likely that the Republicans kill Trump so that they don't have to deal with his stupidity and chaos anymore.

Elessar · 26-30, M

@BohemianBabe They either become paranoid or they don't live long. Nobody's safe in authoritarianism: neither the troops, nor the upper class, nor the governing elite, not the leader. It's indeed literally an "everybody loses" scenario.

BohemianBabe · M

@Elessar From Julius Caesar to Engelbert Dollfuss.

Elessar · 26-30, M

@BohemianBabe Caesar wasn't paranoid enough lol